Quote from: Gwandau on October 09, 2012, 01:19:30 PM

@ Tito L. Oracion,

wrong, your male god never said that, because "he" have never said anything whatsoever, and you know it very well.

All words of your god comes from hearsay, from someone else telling you he heard it.

And you know just as well as me that the bible carry no proof of anything, even if it, among a bunch of letters, also contains quite interesting historical documents taken from serveral other older religions and edited to fit into the gnostic preparations that would later be labeled Christianity. A book written by men.

To believe this hearsay to the degree of letting all your doubts fly away will certainly give you the same kick as the sane gets when taking the critical final step into insanity.
But I really do not critisize this step of yours, everyone is free to believe whatever one wants as long as he/she expresses a sound integrity by keeping it for him/herself.

And to believe something that is not been proven by scientific indenpendent sources is fully OK as long as you are fully aware that you just believe and really don't know.

But the moment you take the step into BELIEVING THAT YOU KNOW, you are no longer a sane person.

To believe that you know has nothing to do with knowledge.  To believe that you know is still just believing.
Don't you get it?  The mistake is right there in front of your eyes.

And the moment you confuse your belief with knowledge, you end being humble.
Now you start imposing your belief upon others, making you a not very humble person.

Stick with your belief if you feel the need, but don't think you know, because you don't.

Gwandau

oh boy i'm going to repeat again the story of thomas.   
http://newtheologicalmovement.blogspot.com/2010/04/faith-of-doubting-thomas.html
Jesus the God the son said it is better to believe first before you see. did you got that?

i'll repeat again this: God's is not our way
http://2praisegod.com/blog/2010/03/gods-ways-are-not-our-ways/
hey you, before you are writing anything here commenting to me, sure to yourself that you had read my previous post so that i am not repeating them again! like wilby    got that! 

Gwandau
Thank you for your responce ,as well as the respectful way you carry yourself.

I appreciate your honesty ,and recognize your desire to have men enjoy what you have found to be "aware".

I myself Have struggled with understanding,I personally Fear this search you embarked on ,and I suppose I cannot explain it ,except to say ,I would fear for my sanity.

I have seen men Go to places on these "searches" and never come back .And the place they end up is not as you describe ,it is torment.

I was free'd of this torment by My complete surrender of my own will,and an agreement I made to serve. it has not been easy, a lot of the things some of you fellows are saying have troubled me for quite some time .

So I personally walk by Faith With the knowledge that where I came from can not compare with where I am now.
And I help others get free from their torment.
One day at a time asking questions and Paying attention..........

I like you Gwandau ,you have Character and are a very smart and genuine man with good sincere intentions.

I think you will find It won't be so bad sharing the planet with me!

Thx
Chet
Ps some people here don't care about the Tormented or the suffering,they think its not their problem..........

Quote from: Tito L. Oracion on October 09, 2012, 08:15:11 PM

do you think wilby can write those book if he is in control by the bad spirit. off course you can here from him the words  moron, idiot, satan tool, tacit, spagetti, repeating useless words etc. lol 
you can really discern a man to whoose spirit is in control with him. and you know what i mean. gus that is basic! 
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The point is that anyone can do better than the Bible.  For example, the 10 Commandments.  Most of these are just terrible.  Only 6, 8 and 9 are truly defensible (do not kill, steal, bear false witness).  5 (honor thy father and mother) is ok, but really it can be replaced by something broader.  Number 7 - adultery.  Well, adultery is bad, but is it really one of the 10 worst things?  Come on, there aren't even generally laws against this in most modern societies.


Number 10 is really twisted.  "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor house, nor manservant, nor ox."  I see the bible puts wives as objects, equivalent to oxen and houses.  Moreover, this appears to punish our thoughts, which is just wrong.


Numbers 1 through 4 are utterly pointless.  Have no other gods, no graven images, no taking name in vain, do not work on sabbath.  God sure is jealous for a all powerful being.  Why is he so worried that you might worship something else?  Pretty petty emotion for a divine being.  And the name in vain thing and sabbath are just dumb.


Here is a new list, much improved.  Let me know if any of the shitty ones I took out are really needed.




1.  Be respectful to all other humans and do not do things that harm them physically or emotionally or that damage their property, unless they first act in a way that is harmful to you or others.
2.  Do not harm or hurt animals needlessly.
3.  Be kind and supportive to your family.
4.  If you have children, take care of them and do your best to make sure they grow up to be good people.
5.  Be productive in life if you are able - do not be a burden to others.
6.  Be especially kind and unselfish to your closest family and friends, including your spouse or significant other.


There, that took 10 minutes of thought, it is not even 10 in total, and it is a much improved list.  This Bible is nothing but trash, if anyone can improve it so easily.


I think Sam Harris noted it well.  After Isaac Newton published his book on the laws of motion, it took mankind roughly 200 years to find anything wrong with what he wrote and to improve upon it.  On the other hand, I bet a child can easily improve the Old Testament after a few minutes though.  Now tell me which is the divine text?

Quote from: Magluvin on October 09, 2012, 06:37:20 PM
Here is what Tito was replying to from Wilby...

"ohh... that's so christian of you...

you're not a true christian. you are satan's tool.

edit: and now you've changed your post... you're so deceitful. you wicked tool of satan..."  post 445

Anyone that reads that would think it implies that Wilby shows that he believes in Satan, yet not God as demonstrated many times, or, he is being sarcastic. Tito being not fully in concert with the english language will take what Wilby said at face value. It looks like Wilby believes there is a Satan. So Tito says...

"i'm amaze you are believing to your father satan. Why?, did you see him?"

Clearly Tito is wondering if Wilby considers Satan as his father. He is asking wilby, in amazement, why he considers Satan as his father. Because, if Wilby denies God for the most part because he cannot see him, how can Wilby make such statements such as "you are satan's tool." or " you wicked tool of satan..." if he didnt believe Satan exists, mostly because he cannot see him, just like he cannot see God?? ;] 

In no way is Tito claiming that it "is" fact, because what Titio said, "did you see him?" , Tito already knows that Wilby would not believe in something that he cannot see, clearly it is written across all these pages.  In stone.

Then you say, " I guess, you believe God created everything. How then you say here that his father is satan?" Again, Tito is questioning in amazement or even disbelief, as the 2 questions, "Why?, did you see him?" after,  clearly show. Some people do follow Satan, whether they believe there is a God or not. Some make that choice.

If we are going to argue or debate this subject, I will make argument on these comments and statements that are wrong, misleading and untruthful. I will pick it apart and get to the bottom of it. ;]

I wont let someone lie to make their case that God doesnt exist. If thats the way you guys will play this game, you will simple look like fools, if I have anything to do with it. ;]

Mags

teetsatan was being as sarcastic as i was you moron...   

furthermore... not a single one of you faithers has 'made a case' for your fucking imaginary friend. thus, no one needs to 'make a case against'... you moron.

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 09, 2012, 03:49:29 PM
I have given you all evidence time and time again, but you refuse to hear.  The "evidence", one of MANY is a changed life.  MINE.  And BILLIONS of others around the globe through out the last 2 thousand years.

Evidence:  Jesus Christ rose from the dead.  Historical FACT, and the fact that I have personally met Him, I can also vouch for the truth of the matter.

Evidence:  Bible prophecy.  There is no God like our God who knows the end from the beginning.  Hundreds of bible prophecies fulfilled and yet to be fulfilled.  Jesus alone fulfilled EXACTLY, to THE LETTER, over 139 specific Bible prophecies, ranging from his prebirth, birth, life, death and ressurection.  The ODDS of this happening by chance, are about the same as the following story:

A man is flying over the Pacific Ocean in a plane.  He drops a wedding ring from that plane at an altitude of 10,000 feet.  The next day, he goes back in a helicopter, and using a fishing pole with a hook, ensnares that same small finger ring.  EVIDENCE.... HA!  It is EVERYWHERE!!!  But seeing you do not see and hearing you do not hear.  ALL of creation speaks of God and His wisdom and power can be seen in everything, so you are WITHOUT EXCUSE, O MAN!

Evidence:  Have you ever seen your brain?  How do you know that you have one?  You have seen and studied other people and creatures brains, but have you physically laid eyes on your own?  Do you really know?  The "evidence" is that you have one, right?  But without seeing an XRay of your own, you can't prove it?  Or can you?  I believe you could. 

Take a deep breath.  Did you inhale air?  How do you know?  Can you see it?  The Lord's Spirit can not be see at this time, neither can the wind!  But just like you can see the effects of the wind as it blows, so too, in like manner can you see the effects of God's Holy Spirit.  We see it in creation.  We see it in the multitude of CHANGED lives.  We see it in Bible prophecy fulfilled, being fulfilled and YET to be fulfilled. 
But still, the crux of the matter is FAITH.  And without FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God!!  For he that believes, must believe that GOD IS, and that he is a rewarder of those that seek after him.

Evidence abounds!  As a matter of fact there is so much evidence of our Creator in Creation, it makes me laugh out loud, (LOL to us geeks) to hear the doubters go on.  Funny, I have friends like me, whose IQ's are in the genius level and they all have unwavering faith in God.  So it is not a matter of intelligence but of "calling".  You see, no one can come unto the Father unless His Spirit first draws their heart.  Some readers here perhaps sense that drawing even as they read.  Open your heart to Him and believe!

His Servant,

Bruce

your 'evidence' is nothing but non sequiturs... you idiotic psychopath...