Quote from: Magluvin on October 28, 2012, 11:28:05 PM
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Whats funny is he had this idea of aliens, and them bringing us here.
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Maybe they couldn't stand us anymore! So they shipped us all here and then dumped us.

They may even have left a message.          "Don't call us(4), we'll call you(2). "   

Quote from: Magluvin on October 28, 2012, 01:26:59 PM
Then there is no such thing as lies also?   fools

That is what you think?  Your life must be in shambles.

And I suppose your 'perception' is 'correct' compared to others here.   And Wilby thinks he is correct, and so on....

Meanwhile, our perception is the same, Bruce, Tito and I.

Magzimus Leviticus

Why would my life be in a shambles, because I don't believe what you 'perceive' to be true is actually true?
That is rather a long bow to draw and has no basis in knowledge of any kind. so your perception is flawed. probably in some vain attempt to try and say I cant be happy because I am not christian. Its a simple, transparent, deliberate and deceptive ploy to use.

There are those things that are universally perceived to be constant (true) but perhaps when revealed may not be so simple an example of that would be gravity. We all perceive it the same that doesn't mean we have it right. One school of thought is that gravity is not actually pulling us down but is actually the result of the earth expanding at 9.8ms^2

I think it is a stupid statement and quite untrue. but believers in that theory would argue my perception is wrong.

Many here argue my perception of OU which discounts it ever being possible is wrong. Perhaps it is. but I have been shown nothing by anyone to prove otherwise and until I do I will maintain that perception.

You are lying when you say your (Bruce, Tito and I) perceptions are the same. you have a common belief, but I'll bet they vary. Perhaps not much but I bet they will vary. So your perceptions of the truth will actually be different. Therefore just perceptions. You also deliberately left out others whose perceptions are similar but perhaps even less aligned. How long did you ponder before leaving out say, Chet? There is differing beliefs in all differing denominations. Are you going to tell me you are 100% in accord with Jews and with Muslims. Surely you must be. I mean you all believe in the same God.

What I just wrote above is yet another comment you will fail to respond to of the dozens you and your ilk have failed to comment on. Due to the very simple fact (perception) you cannot. At least not without deliberately deceiving (yet another perception of mine).

I don't consider my perception more correct than others but will always challenge people to back up their perceptions with more than "you must have faith" its the catch cry of the faithers here and only because they have nothing else, without that cry they are moribund.

Quote from: CuriousChris on October 29, 2012, 07:46:15 AM
Why would my life be in a shambles, because I don't believe what you 'perceive' to be true is actually true?
That is rather a long bow to draw and has no basis in knowledge of any kind. so your perception is flawed. probably in some vain attempt to try and say I cant be happy because I am not christian. Its a simple, transparent, deliberate and deceptive ploy to use.

There are those things that are universally perceived to be constant (true) but perhaps when revealed may not be so simple an example of that would be gravity. We all perceive it the same that doesn't mean we have it right. One school of thought is that gravity is not actually pulling us down but is actually the result of the earth expanding at 9.8ms^2

I think it is a stupid statement and quite untrue. but believers in that theory would argue my perception is wrong.

Many here argue my perception of OU which discounts it ever being possible is wrong. Perhaps it is. but I have been shown nothing by anyone to prove otherwise and until I do I will maintain that perception.

You are lying when you say your (Bruce, Tito and I) perceptions are the same. you have a common belief, but I'll bet they vary. Perhaps not much but I bet they will vary. So your perceptions of the truth will actually be different. Therefore just perceptions. You also deliberately left out others whose perceptions are similar but perhaps even less aligned. How long did you ponder before leaving out say, Chet? There is differing beliefs in all differing denominations. Are you going to tell me you are 100% in accord with Jews and with Muslims. Surely you must be. I mean you all believe in the same God.

What I just wrote above is yet another comment you will fail to respond to of the dozens you and your ilk have failed to comment on. Due to the very simple fact (perception) you cannot. At least not without deliberately deceiving (yet another perception of mine).

I don't consider my perception more correct than others but will always challenge people to back up their perceptions with more than "you must have faith" its the catch cry of the faithers here and only because they have nothing else, without that cry they are moribund.

That is why we are NOT to follow the perceptions of man!  For they lead to falsehood, and false religions.  God does not have a "perception", but he IS Truth.  Not the "perception" of truth, but the "essence" of Truth.  Your argument is accurate from the "perspective" of sinful man. 
God tell us what his "Truth" is, that we are ALL wrongdoers, in need of saving.  That we are ALL lost in need of Salvation.  That we are ALL without hope and without God.  That there is ONE answer to this malady, and that is the remedy of salvation in and through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You can explain your "perception" to the Father, as your excuse for rejecting so great a salvation.  Let me know how that goes for you......   

Quote from: Bruce_TPU on October 29, 2012, 11:35:58 AM

That is why we are NOT to follow the perceptions of man!  For they lead to falsehood, and false religions.  God does not have a "perception", but he IS Truth.  Not the "perception" of truth, but the "essence" of Truth.  Your argument is accurate from the "perspective" of sinful man. 
God tell us what his "Truth" is, that we are ALL wrongdoers, in need of saving.  That we are ALL lost in need of Salvation.  That we are ALL without hope and without God.  That there is ONE answer to this malady, and that is the remedy of salvation in and through the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
You can explain your "perception" to the Father, as your excuse for rejecting so great a salvation.  Let me know how that goes for you......   

What you say would be worrisome for us atheists if there was a grain of evidence for it.  Thankfully there is not.

Quote from: hoptoad on October 29, 2012, 02:32:50 AM
Maybe they couldn't stand us anymore! So they shipped us all here and then dumped us.

They may even have left a message.          "Don't call us(4), we'll call you(2). "   

Yeah yeah, I know. Its always 'maybe'. Maybe this and maybe that.   

Mags