Quote from: webby1 on November 02, 2012, 10:56:58 PM
Really??  TK as the bait and switch champion???

get real first, science demands that, get your views and understandings out of the way and think logically,, that is all that is needed.

I could file for patents under what I have learned, but would that be right?

TK would say, SURE to heck with any body else, BUT TK,,,,, a sunk kualo will grasp on to any thing that is floating, I am a little more in line with what is right.

There has been no real demonstration that MrWayne has what he claims. Demos have been put off, the "simple three layer system that is clearly overunity by itself" is nowhere to be found, the design has been changed several times, the patent application no longer corresponds to what they are building (allegedly building that is) and the patent application does NOT contain the "secret" that makes it possible for one skilled in the art to reproduce the overunity performance that is alleged.
What are you worried about me for? You are the one being duped. You have seen NOTHING in your own work, NOTHING in Mondrasek's work, and NOTHING from MrWayne that enables overunity performance.

I don't  need to know _anything_ about science to know that MrWayne has not demonstrated the truth of his claims. 

Quote from: webby1 on November 02, 2012, 11:08:01 PM
Please TK,

would you show me the science.  Not your objections but the science.

The science is contained in many physics textbooks. For you, no offense.... try "The Cartoon Guide to Physics" by Larry Gonick and Art Huffman (1990, HarperPerennial). If you want something more advanced you can look in just about any hydraulic engineering text.

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Would you show me the understanding of the system as a whole.

Sure.... as soon as you show me the system WORKING as a whole, driving itself and making useful excess output power.
If you cannot do that, I'm going to guess that YOUR understanding is faulty..... because if I had the _correct_ understanding that you claim to have there is NOTHING in the world that would stop me from building a working, self-powered running model. And if it really _can_ be done as the animation shows, I am quite sure I could do it for under 2000 dollars in materials.

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Not your interpretation of what is happening.

You CAN NOT so get it or try,,,, or shut up.

On the contrary.... you CAN NOT show me a self powered running Zed system. I don't have to show you anything, except to point out that nobody has demonstrated a working system that fulfils the claims made, not even Mister Wayne, and especially not you or mondrasek.

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I tried with you but,, well you do not get it at all,,, you are missing the boat.

Contrariwise, webby. You don't have a working, self-powered overunity system, do you? Did I miss something... or did YOU? Where is your video showing your self-runner? We know you have the funds sufficient to buy parts and materials, you claim to have the knowledge, you constantly berate me for my "lack of understanding".... so I'll be looking forward to seeing your video of the selfrunner this evening, just as soon as you post it.


Or... perhaps..... you have missed the boat.

@webby1,

You are wasting your time with the concrete brains. Only Mark's observations can start to change their opinion, then they will attack Mark. In the end they will understand, and the real men will admit they were wrong and the others will slither off in the grass. I already know the results, so I patiently wait for Mark's results.

Regards, Larry

Whooow gents slowly, 

Quite a handful of words before breakfast, no need to throttle each other.  From what I can see quite a few true words have been spoken.
There have always been two camps in this topic, from the very beginning. Recall message #12, by baroutologos  "you certainly express a point based on what the man said, but I think lets give him a chance to explain the principle shall we?"

Camp #1:  Unquestionable working proof by physical demonstration
                  Not interested in physics principles
                  Wanting to have the invention fully revealed
                  Open Source publication.
Camp #2:  Interested in the workings of the invention
                  Physics principles
                  Knowledge gain

These totally diverging positions played havoc with this topic from the very beginning but this is expected to be resolved in the nearby future by a successful and unquestionable demonstration of a Hydro Differential System (in a design form chosen by the inventor).

I am still puzzled about TK's position and insistence regarding the model. The topic is called for good reason a "Hydro Differential System", not a ZED system or MLBD.  It is clear from previous posts that there was a reliability problem with the too often modified mark-1 system. A new system with all the design and add-on improvements would be the logical and best way to go.
Now why does someone with no stake in the project, object to sensible engineering and business practices with such vigor? And for what reasons?  is my obvious question.

Lets leave the Hydro Energy Revolution matters in the hands of the initiator of this topic, the inventor of the hydro differential system, "Wayne Travis". I am confident that he will not disappoint you on your expectations. An assured successful delivery comes before time.

QuoteIt is clear from previous posts that there was a reliability problem with the too often modified mark-1 system.

Let me translate that into English for you:  It didn't work.