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The ideal free energy device would be a portable, hand-held device that could charge electronic devices such as laptops, cell-phones, electric cars, etc.  Larger ones - but still relatively portable - could power individual homes.  Whatever these devices are, they would have a tremendous impact on human society.

1.   many societal structures would be phased out: utility companies, oil companies, etc.
2.   the structures of urban vs. rural communities would have to be reconstructed entirely.
4.  there would be a mass migration of people from country to country rural to urban and urban to rural in response to a new period of economic transition that is a direct result of this new 'free-energy' device.
5. the list goes on and on

So where is this list?  In which thread on this forum can I find it?  Is there no such list on this forum?  Are you telling me that you guys have gone out and tried to create a 'free-energy' device WITHOUT making a list of these sociological implications?  WHY THE HELL NOT? 

Seriously, as a human being I am pissed off.  What are you people thinking.  I swear.  your 'science' will be the death of all of us one day if you don't wake up and realise what you are doing.

I thought there must have already been some discussion on this topic. Are you saying there hasn't been ANY discussion on this yet?

I am flabergasted!


Shocked.

Seriously, I can't get over this.

I'm going for a long walk in the forest now to think about this entire project of yours and whether or not I should associate with you people - people who obviously have such little regard for the value of human life and the future of the human race. 

@Prajna: we are not warlike nor peacefull, we are not determined, If you think we are, than YOU have been conditioned by culture, religion, society or education...
We choose each day what we will do and would it be for better or for worse. And it is lot easier to do bad things than to do good things. Doing good needs effort - build something, doing bad is easy, just throw a bomb and demolish. You put much more energy in your decision of beeing peaceful each day than someone who just go around and says I am warlike beware of my bombs. I congratulate you choosing peace and good today and fight the evil which wants you not to choose good. Lets hope all of us will choose goodand peace tommorow.

I agree with you there is a lot of free stuff in our world. Problem is when a man wants to make profit for himself by selling something that is not really his. So probably when we consume all oil, that bad man will try to sell us something else, eg. air which we needs to breathe. I am really suprised that one thing did not happen allready. Earth atmosphere is very damaged so lets build a shield around whole planet. To save us from bad radiation? No. You want sunlight? Pay for it! So if someone propose this shield it will be just for profit, you will have to pay you quota of sun per day. But if you dont want to pay a bad man for your sunlight, you will instantly die because of radiation. When I think about this I am not sure any more that this is not already happening. First you need to destroy ozone layer than build a shield and than collect money etc. So who knows... prepare your wallets.

I agree with your thinking about sun-block and skin cancer and also I think you just discovered free energy device! It is money printing machine )

@ring_theory: i think low cost could be a good idea. but what does it mean? low profit or no profit at all? If it means no profit I agree, otherwise not. But mankind does not function this way. Lot of things today is just about profit. So if a free energy device becomes available, lot of people would be endangered by it. That device would be their destruction so thay have to fight it. Seen Farenheit 451? Firemen burning books. I am prone to think that will happen to this device. It will be forbiden. They will say it is not safe to use. It will destroy us all. Just when it happen I have a question for that people: who exactly is that "us all" who will be destroyed by using this device? Those who cannot have profit from selling energy when it becomes free? I think yes. But this way of thinking is also very dangerous. They might kill me just for saying it here.

Other thing, you are receiving free energy from the sun. Problem is you dont receive it in form you would like to. You would like electric current and you get light and heat. Funny thing happened to me. I was up last night almost until morning. At 5:30 the sun was out. So I am thinking do I need all the electricity I currently use? Some percent of it I surely use for lighting. Although I changed standard bulbs with energy saving, is it really the solution to the problem of my need for energy or should I start to change my ways of living to be more synchronized with nature.
So better would be that I wake up at 5:00 am every morning and go to sleep at lets say 8:00 pm which would get me more than enough of sleep, and I would not need power for lighting from 8pm to 24:00 like I do now. This i s just an example.
Are we all conditioned to stay up at the night to be good consumers or we really need to live it like that.

About your inventions: if you are driven by money and your personal wealth than I am worried about you. If you are driven with everybody's wealth than that is something else. Even if you get payed for your efforts.

@Newage: Growing own food is a good idea I agree. Some of us are already heating greenhouses with a free energy device. I like to call it a sun.
If I need some electricity no problem I have a solar panel. But problem is following: knowledge is here, we know how solar panels works and how to make them. And we are not making them, or buying them for that matter and the result is that we are not using them. why? why is just total of  0,00000something of produced energy coming from solar energy?

@dr.What: I agree, energy producing companies are not god for deploying this device because they are driven by profit.
I was also talking about this slow introduction of this device with my friends. We agree. My idea is if you say buy this device it is free energy device only few will buy it. Lot will not believe it they might think it is a scam. So you will sell few pieces and than man in black will come and found every last one peace and destroy it. Because this is illegal device. Almost like a weapon. You might kill the living of people making profit on your "need" for energy. You will became an article in a news papers and that is all. Second thing you could do is give the device away for free to everbody. OK that is not gonna happen because you dont have that kind of money needed for production of same device and also man in black could come and dress in various colors and you will give it all to them. And they will put it away. No one will benefit again.

So, my idea is to influence some big producer of consumer electronics. Maybe cell phones. To build in a free energy device in it. And not to tell enyone. Than when they sell billions of phones around the world they start an advertising campain in which they reveal the hidden feature. Just dial F for free energy and connect what ever you like to your phone. This will make a hard time for man in black to find and destroy billions of devices all around the world. Also this model of cell phone would be very good investment Great value for money.

About stock market you mentioned... we cannot know this. Production with lower power bill could in fact increase the profits. About market itself well it may show that current free energy device (money printing machine) is really a scam.

@Xenobard: The list of phased out structures is very long. We can call that structures men in black. Trust no one This list is just too long to write so better write very short one. List of who will not be affected. And yes, I almost forgot: grow up!


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Xenoboard and Silvije,

good comments, some I am not sure X if they are serious or in jest! But good all the same.

The reality is that there are so many unknowns. I like the idea of a secret introduction of the device in many products such as mobile phones. The problem is that the secret will be leaked out by employees early in the piece. Also a Free energy device may be quite large and wrt eg gravity motors they may be a stationary device affixed to the floor.

A free energy device is likely to be a generator in the basement of your house rumbling away. It would be the source of your home power and it will recharge your car overnight.

In Australia they have a program called  "The New Inventors" which airs once a week. A lot of people watch the show so a product launch on that show would be ideal.

But first steps first. The machine/device needs to be created first!

Silvije, that is a nice, well considered reply.

I do, however, want to reiterate my point about human nature.  In order to know your nature you have first to remove the influence of the social conditioning that you have been subject to. That conditioning operates on the mind which then influences the emotions. You might think that in order to escape the conditioning you would have to stop your mind, and indeed that is what meditation is aimed at. There are a great many meditation techniques that help to achieve a state where you cease to be subject to your mind, rather your mind becomes subject to your being.  It seems to anyone who has not achieved such a state that if their mind stopped there would be nothing, and for any intellectual that seems like a fools errand. The truth is, though, that when your mind stops you are left in your being, your pure nature, and you will find that it is full of absolute peace and bliss. I know this from my own experience. I have done it. My nature is peaceful. I know it for sure because I have experienced it, it is not a case of beliving my nature to be peaceful.

I know this sounds 'new age' and probably nuts but it is critically important for our society to drop the bullshit idea that our nature is warlike.  Who does such an idea benefit? The very same MIB who create the wars, suppress the 'green' technology, and control the vast but imaginary 'profits'.

If I had the idea that I am a peaceful person then I would have no more right to say that my nature is peaceful than ring_theory has to insist that his nature is warlike. But it is not an idea, rather it is knowledge from direct experience. I do not have to make decisions to be peaceful any more. I find it easier to do good things than bad things.  That was not always the case: before I came to know my nature through meditation (to 'know myself' as the sages have always suggested) I would very much have agreed with your idea that it is harder to be good than to just say 'beware of my bombs'. It might be more correct to say that it is easier to be subject to your conditioning than to emancipate yourself from that conditioning; practising meditation is not easy in the beginning, that is for sure.

Once you see through the lies that have been thrust upon you regarding your nature you begin to see just how much of the world, which seems so real, is simply an illusion; money being a case in point. The stock market, which people see crashing if 'free' energy is exploited, is simply a big gambling den when you get down to it. Look up 'commodities trading' some time if you have any doubts, and pay particular attention to 'futures' and 'options'. Anything connected with money - the economy, insurance, tax - it is all a big exploitative illusion.

Your fears are well founded, knowing human culture (note, 'culture' not 'nature'); already our water is being poisoned and polluted and we are then sold it in bottles. When Bolivia's water was privatised Bechtel banned people from collecting rainwater!

It is good that you are noticing how your lifestyle is affecting your need for energy. In my opinion you have less to fear from the MIB than from the overwhelming percentage of ordinary fellow human beings who have not noticed that yet.  The MIB will vanish when we collectively break our addiction to the consumerism which supports them.

It is a very big subject, the effect that free energy will have. It becomes considerably easier when our requirements for energy are reduced. I used to struggle for money but I now need so little that it is very easy to have enough. I wear very cheap clothes which last for years. It is no hardship for me because I am not a victim of fashion (which was a major hardship before I wised up). I am vegeterian, so I have a very small 'footprint' (it takes a small fraction of the space to grow vegetables compared to that needed to grow animals for meat). I pay no taxes because I don't take part in that crazy system, I don't charge money for anything that I do so there is nothing to tax. I gave away all that I had and now I rely on friends for the few things I need.  They, in turn, rely on me for various things that I like to do. Most people would find this quite an extreme way to live, but then most people do not know themselves.

In sum: free energy is important for the effect that it may have on the environment but far more important is the effect that it will have on our society. I really hope that it does destroy the economy, wreak havock in the stock exchanges and promote anarchy; at least that might encourage people to reassess some of the stupid ideas they have been indoctrinated with, beginning with the destructive idiocy that insists our nature is warlike.