Mr UFO lays out the protocol for the test,as well as showing a vid from a replicator with "harvesting" techniques ,and the ultimate shape this project  will take .
The Vid
Ufopolitics Project Replication with DC brushed motor. by netica. Video 2 - YouTube

More info relevant to the "Data issue".

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-111.html#post220114

Thx
Chet

Unfortunately, there is a misunderstanding of what is going on in Netica's video #2.

UFO explains how the motor is running on "radiant energy."  What he really means is that the motor is running on the pulsing current output from the discharge of coil.  I am pretty sure the coil is being energized by a battery connected to a low-side MOSFET controled by an oscillator with an adjustable frequency and duty cycle.

Take note of this:  By definition, the output from a pulsing coil (like in a standard Bedini motor setup) will be constrained to a maximum current level and also to a maximum average power level.

So it is no surprise at all that as Netica applies a mechanical load to the motor shaft the current measurement does not go up.  The exact same thing would happen with a conventional motor.

The other thing that Netica could have done but did not do was to look at the voltage at the motor input terminal as he applied the mechanical load to the motor shaft.  He would have seen the current remain the same, but the voltage would have dropped.  What that means in reality is that as he applied a load to the spinning shaft the motor slowed down and its power consumption dropped and its mechanical output power dropped.  The same thing would have happened with a conventional motor.  The reason for this is that the motor was being powered by a discharging inductor.  Without understanding how a discharging inductor works (it's not "cold electricity") then why this happens will remain a mystery for many.

Quoting UFO:

QuoteNetica is running that Motor with pure Radiant Energy Field collected from the Inductor Coil, that somehow is isolated from our Hot side Input from Batteries...and the spent energy at Hot side is Minimal compared to our output (after Diodes)

The highlighted part of his comment is not true.  The average battery power that is put into the external coil, the "hot" side, will be equal to or greater than the average power that goes into the motor via the discharging coil that goes through the diodes, the "cold" side.

UFO goes on to state that the tests of the modified motors will be done this way.  This is the wrong course of action.  A conventional DC motor that runs off of a battery is a device that is designed to run from a constant voltage source.  I think that it is reasonable to assume that the modified motors also should run off of a constant voltage source.

UFO is saying that the testing will be done using the output from a pulsing coil.  The output from a pulsing coil is a current source with a constraint on the maximum available power.  The maximum available output power is "choked" and limited to a certain value.   This will cause problems and as I stated above, the motor mechanical power output (modified or standard) will decrease as you apply a mechanical load to the motor shaft.

Normally DC-type motors are designed to be powered by constant or near-constant voltage sources that are able to supply very large amounts of current (and also power).  I am suggesting that the same type of power source should be applied to the UFO-modified motors.

MileHigh

Quote from: MileHigh on December 30, 2012, 06:42:10 PM
Unfortunately, there is a misunderstanding of what is going on in Netica's video #2.

UFO explains how the motor is running on "radiant energy."  What he really means is that the motor is running on the pulsing current output from the discharge of coil.  I am pretty sure the coil is being energized by a battery connected to a low-side MOSFET controled by an oscillator with an adjustable frequency and duty cycle.

Take note of this:  By definition, the output from a pulsing coil (like in a standard Bedini motor setup) will be constrained to a maximum current level and also to a maximum average power level.

So it is no surprise at all that as Netica applies a mechanical load to the motor shaft the current measurement does not go up.  The exact same thing would happen with a conventional motor.

The other thing that Netica could have done but did not do was to look at the voltage at the motor input terminal as he applied the mechanical load to the motor shaft.  He would have seen the current remain the same, but the voltage would have dropped.  What that means in reality is that as he applied a load to the spinning shaft the motor slowed down and its power consumption dropped and its mechanical output power dropped.  The same thing would have happened with a conventional motor.  The reason for this is that the motor was being powered by a discharging inductor.  Without understanding how a discharging inductor works (it's not "cold electricity") then why this happens will remain a mystery for many.

Quoting UFO:

The highlighted part of his comment is not true.  The average battery power that is put into the external coil, the "hot" side, will be equal to or greater than the average power that goes into the motor via the discharging coil that goes through the diodes, the "cold" side.

UFO goes on to state that the tests of the modified motors will be done this way.  This is the wrong course of action.  A conventional DC motor that runs off of a battery is a device that is designed to run from a constant voltage source.  I think that it is reasonable to assume that the modified motors also should run off of a constant voltage source.

UFO is saying that the testing will be done using the output from a pulsing coil.  The output from a pulsing coil is a current source with a constraint on the maximum available power.  The maximum available output power is "choked" and limited to a certain value.   This will cause problems and as I stated above, the motor mechanical power output (modified or standard) will decrease as you apply a mechanical load to the motor shaft.

Normally DC-type motors are designed to be powered by constant or near-constant voltage sources that are able to supply very large amounts of current (and also power).  I am suggesting that the same type of power source should be applied to the UFO-modified motors.

MileHigh

G'Day
I may be a simple joiner BUT I did work for a few years at Power Controls International where they did research and development on soft starters even for a slip ring motor which was successful and up till that time had not been done before but that was quite some years ago.
I was not directly involved in the R&D but was following along and even the ones doing the R&D claimed that you can always learn something every day especially if you listen, look and with an open mind you will find that things do not always go the way you think they should.

I have built several Bedini machines and have not as yet seen a setup that would work like the one that UFO has shown us. If you or anyone here has followed his UFO's diagrams /circuits built them and run them you would not be making the  uninformed comments like above.

I have made/Replicated the motors that UFO showed from the tandy ones to a larger one a 5pole wiper motor for a car and am quite convinced that exactly what UFO is saying is as it really is.
In my video here then can you explain the results I am getting here Look up the specs for this MY1018 motor and see if you can replicate using a bedini or other device to show the results I am getting and showing here I had to stop increasing the output from the circuit after 90v DC as this was 3 times the volts and speed as shown in the specs for this motor and I thought it may not be able to handle it and probable fly apart and yet the amps to the motor is 0.6amps and all the time there was always only 200ma draw from the 36v battery(3 12v car batteries in series) by replication of UFO's Happy motor diagram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIpGdXzo-wQ

This is NOT A STANDARD Bedini setup it is a special motor controller that UFO showed us how to make and connected to a special built 2 coils in series and I built it just as UFO showed us.
When he showed us how to build this setup then quite a few like you MileHigh because you and other lurkers sprang up and was giving UFO so much verbal abuse that he and others who were learning started to respond in like that UFO spat the dummy so to speak and was so discusted because that is not how he normally is and so he removed ALL his diagrams and circuits and stated he would not continue to show anyone  anymore. It was only when his interested ones asked/pleaded with him to continue that he did.

I did before suggest that all here should read his posts from the start especially his thread  "mymotorsgotmeintoradiantenergy" since then I have myself started to reread all this thread from the start because on there they are attempting at designing a better controller so as to be more efficient and I wanted to learn and keep up with everything as I have been too busy on his other thread keeping up with learning there
Upon reading from the start I realise that all the informatiom/Circuits/diagrams are not there as he has not reposted them

I am sorry for that and I came back to here to show the diagrams and circuits that are missing so you all could really be informed as to what he was explaining so as to understand what he is showing us and how his circuits work.

BUT AGAIN after reading the lasts posts it is of no consequence to do so because of the closed minds here and it seems that most of the posts here from MH and PW and others are so negative about UFO disclosure and they really do not want to learn or understand anything he says
.................. appears the title of this thread
"UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin......." is a misnomer and an excuse to have some where to only to tear him down and to make fun of him

Bye

Hi Ian,

I found a link that is close to the schematic you are using, the Happy motor diagram.  I watched your clip and it looks like it's a variation on a Bedini setup.

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/10529-my-motors-got-me-tap-into-radiant-energy-34.html#post199306

In looking at the diagram, your 555 timer circuit controls a bank of MOSFETS.   The MOSFETs energize the coil (or in your case you have two coils) and then when the MOSFETs switch off the coils discharge through the load, and the load is your motor.

In a nutshell, this setup allows you to control how much power that you pump into the motor.  The higher the power throttle is set, the higher the power pumping and the higher the voltage across the motor itself.

It's a rather unusual way to power a DC motor but nonetheless it works.  It's not 'radiant energy,'  rather, coils have the innate ability to bump up their output voltage depending on the nature of the load.  The coils can force electrical power into the motor.  Because they can force electrical power into the motor that's why you could push the voltage up to 90 volts.  That's a simplified explanation for your YouTube clip.

Quotethey really do not want to learn or understand anything he says

That's a two-way street Ian.  PW can spin circles around me blindfolded.  I can spin circles around people on your EF thread blindfolded.  I can assure you that you can learn many things here than you won't learn on the EF thread.

How come your special controller can push the voltage on the motor all the way up to 90 volts?  I can suggest a simple test for you to do that will explain it all to you.  The onus is on you and hopefully others in your thread to want to learn and understand why that happens.

MileHigh

Ian
Will You make this A "them and Us" scenario ?
Hide your candle under a bush?

Nah ,Thats not how we do it,If you believe it ,you live it!
at first perhaps by intuition,perception ,faith !

You nailed the single biggest problem we men have .
""US""

Pride ,EGO ,selfish.......

Every Man wants to shine,be important ,be recognized [in some way],
Some one Insults or hurts our feelings,we want to punch them in the face
take our marbles and go home!

if mothers or women where running things around here there would be a lot of changes! [at least in the "tanTrum" department}

Changes........

You want the world to Change?
Be that Change!

even when it hurts [most times it will]

This Hiding your Candle thing,what change will that bring [more Us and Them stuff] ?
PLEASE RECONSIDER YOUR POSITION!
And happy new year!!
Thx
Chet
PS
In The small Forum world we share here,the push backs and insults are to be expected.
But never forget in this Case and this place
"what doesn't kill you makes you stronger"