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Overunity Machines Forum



Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

Started by Neo-X, September 05, 2012, 12:17:13 PM

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Lakes

Very good, the audio was "interesting" too... hehe

ltseung888

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 19, 2013, 06:09:27 PM
There may be some problem loading some of those images -- so I put them all together into a short video with a voiceover narration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFEr4o3sp7U
@TK,

Great Job.  I believe you have examined the circuit diagram in detail.  The trick is to have common grounding for the two probes for the two oscilloscopes.  That is why A3 and A4 looked strange.

Your technique is much better than using the breadboard or simple soldering.  It can stand the shaking during transport.  Your workmanship is much superior to mine.  I had to spend an average of 3 days to do one board and half of the time, things went wrong due to bad connections or soldering.

If you have two Atten Oscilloscopes or equivalent, you can immediately do the oscilloscope analysis.  With the board as is, the chance of achieving overunity is not too high.  However, you can improve the odds easily by:

(1) Use a DC Power Supply as Source and watch the waveforms on the oscilloscopes.  I found that a lower value (less than 1V DC) can get to higher COP in many cases.

(2) Use the 2.3 10F capacitor (less than 2 USD in Shenzhen) in parallel with the battery or power supply and then disconnect the battery.  The LEDs should remain ON for more than 10 minutes and get dimmer slowly.  The frequency (best to use the Output Voltage frequency) will slowly shift.  At some point, you may find that the COP greater than 1.  This will give you a much higher chance of achieving COP greater than 1.

(3) Once you achieved COP greater than 1 with your set up at a certain frequency range, try to remain in that range with appropriate re-connection of the battery.  Do it manually first and later with circuits.

(4) That is the secret of "Tuning for Tseung Resonance".  Tuning is no longer a shot in the dark or luck.

(5) If you have difficulty in finding the capacitor, I shall be happy to mail you one FREE.  Your oscilloscope-test-ready board will be a great help to all free energy researchers.

Keep up the excellent work.  You will have overunity devices in your hands within days or weeks.
Lawrence
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.

ltseung888

Quote from: TinselKoala on December 31, 2012, 09:34:36 AM
Re-mystifying the Joule Thief: JT basic testbed (circuit identical to LTseung's) with addition of 70 nF poly film cap, switchable across 1k base resistor, and using the modified Loopstick as the inductor. Load is 24 LEDs, (12 parallel) + (12 parallel) in series. Note that I get pretty good "dim" brightness in the array, even at 1 V and 0.6 milliamps (600 microAmps) input. That is 25 _microwatts_ per LED. Even at the "full" brightness level (with cap) the system only draws 9 or 10 mA, or well under half a milliWatt per LED.
And....the system has several distinct operating modes, but a battery that is too full saturates it and makes it stop working.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeIWpkywGXs

Resonance or magic?!?

Or just electronics......
:P
@TK

Referring to your video, how long can the very bright mode with the capacitor connected be maintained?  That may already show overunity characteristics.  You may already have a "commerically valuable condition" that can be developed into a product.

As you have demonstrated, adding a capacitor totally changed the characteristics of a standard JT.  You did not even use a supercap!  LCR oscillation matching with the Pulsing frequency of the switching transistor got you into "resonance"? 

Please compare the Input Power and the Output Power at this bright condition.  The chance that it is overunity is very high.  You already have the circuit diagram to do a two oscilloscope analysis. 

Congratulations.

The Divine Wine is flowing out from TK......  Amen.
Compressible Fluids are Mechanical Energy Carriers. Air is not a fuel but is an energy carrier. (See reply 1097)
Gravitational or Electron Motion Energy can be Lead Out via oscillation, vibration, rotation or flux change systems.  We need to apply pulse force (Lee-Tseung Pulls) at the right time. (See reply 1106 and 2621)
1150 describes the Flying Saucer.  This will provide incredible prosperity.  Beware of the potential destructive powers.

be_design2004

Erased by myself -

due to long waiting for approval of attachement ?

be_design2004

@Lawrence & @all

(I had to give up the long waiting to get the attached file approved,
so I put it on an external service instead) :(

I first found Lawrence work on the FLEET-device on the OUR-forum,
but it was blocked for other than internally admired members :)

So I first sent this mail a couple of weeks ago to the hotmail and
netvigator.com address of Lawrence, but it possibly didn't work.


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>
> --- On Fri, 1/11/13, be_design2004
> wrote:
>
> > Subject: Optimizing the efficiency of the FLEET demo
> > To: "Ltseung@hotmail.com"
>   <Ltseung@hotmail.com>
> > Date: Friday, January 11, 2013, 1:48 PM

> > Hi Lawrence,
> >
> > hotmail has been unreliable many days lately,
> > so i hope this gets through.
> > (zoho.com may be an ad-free alternative)
> >
> > The OUR-forum was blocked for other than internally
> > admired members :)  so I send this mail instead -
> >
> > --------------------------
> > (just in case you would refer to my mail
> > publicly, pls first delete my address and
> > this sentence)
> > --------------------------
> >
> > If you possibly already are aware of the suggested
>   details below, just disregard them
> >
> >
> > From reading your experience of varying results with
> > different loads, and as you have some serious instrument
    resources, I'll suggest it's a good opportunity to compare
    the effect of load matching with your baseline measurements.
> >
> >
> > 1.
> > Here is an xls-tool - Most_effficient_load_impedance.xls:
       http://db.tt/vBhbjou6

       which should quickly
> > point to the ideal load for the circuit,
> > if the load is mostly resistive.
> >
> >
> > Just plug the three *readings from your setups into
    the tool -
> >
> > Like from your example:
> > (Your data below indicates your load is close to 25 Ohm)
>
> >

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=2fa991b1d3da74133797f92f553899a6&action=dlattach;topic=1617.0;attach=9094;image
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >  Example: *

> > 'Unloaded' use say a 10K load for more safety while measuring
     output voltage = ?
> > (dummy or present)Load resistance = 25
> > Voltage(rms) over the connected load = 2.48
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> > Then replace the load with one having the resulting
> > equvivalent value, and compare making new measurements.
> >
> > Perhaps it's best to take the 'unloaded'
> > voltage reading with a load of more than 100 times
> > higher resistance than the real estimated load,
> > as a totally unload inductive 'spiky' source cold
    give misleading readings and also risk damaging
> > the instruments - a resistive divider will be
> > even more secure while measuring.
> > (the resulting error will be totally
> > insignificant)
> >
> >
> > 2.
> > As we are generating milliwatts, every circuit part
> > matters for improving the result - also on the
> > drive side.
> >
> > The base resistor power loss increases with the square
>   of the voltage over it, so it should be matched with the
> > driving winding turns number.
> >
> > Perhaps one could try with some less drive winding
>   turns balanced with lower base resistor values.
> > (if not the symmetrical transformer is an essential
>   part of the concept)?
> >
> >
> > 3.
> > Something more to try -
> > If you remember, 50 years ago the best method to speed
>   up a silicon transistor was to connect a germanium diode
>   with it's conducting direction from the base to the
>   collector.
> > A modern schottky type could be tried too.
> > (BTW - the 2N2222 is more than 50 years old)
> >
> > 4.
> >
> > The base resistor, after the eventual matching as
>   above, could have a small value capacitor in parallel
    to help speed the switching to compensate/balance
    for a lower average drive current to further save
    energy.
> >
> > 5.
> > The core needs to handle the maximum flux at the
>   highest supply voltage, otherwise it will saturate
    into lower efficiency, this could explain the observed
    increased COP at lower drive voltage.
> >
> > The noted correlation with higher frequency also
> > results in less average flux in the core as the
> > impedance increases with frequency.
> >
> >
> > 6.
> > The conclusion of this points to the use of a more stabilized
> > operating source voltage for a practical user device.
> >
> >
> > would be interesting to see if any of this
    could be of use as I currently have no lab
    setup available
   
> >
> > Best whises for the comming New Year
>
> > /be_design2004

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Lawrence, did you receive this on your hotmail address?