Ok. Next time I build the device I will make the secondary coils to go to earth as a safty measure. We will measure the voltage and amperage then. Is that ok. Whether you all agree or not this is what I'm going to do as I need to check the voltage and then wind a transformer to reduce the voltage and increase the amperage. That is both safe as well as increase our confidence that higher the voltage, higher would be the amperage. We will then build a customized step down transformer to step down the voltage and then give the output to the load. We can all then see if the output power is higher than the input power or not..We will try to do this within about ten days..

Hi NMS:

The photo shown by you is different.

Mine was a rocket like set up or pencil like set up..

Three electromagnets all connected in series. Like a Pencil or Rocket..

NS - NS - NS

Bolded NS are Primary 1 and Primary 2. In these things a step down secondary is wound first upon which the quadfilar coil was wound as primary.

The secondary NS is a step up version of a single wire having several layers. I did not count the turns and layers. But we ensures that the P1 and P2 had equal number of primary wires to get the same magnetic field strength. Ene of P1 connected to beginning of P2.

All three secondaries are in series..

There is nothing more to my set up. Simple one but a large one to construct. we believe that about 6 feet of iron rods and a lot of them are needed to get sufficient force and magnetic flux to induce the secondary. There are no moving parts. Large the core, the larger would be the output is true.

Will get back to you later. Bye for now..

One problem can be if the voltage and current output are 90 degrees out of phase then you'll get next to no output power as the power factor will be close to zero. but the open circuit voltage and short circuit current might not indicate that, it would help to see voltage and current traces for the output while on load of say 60 Watts compared to say 25 Watts, then we could see what would happen with even more load as a picture of circuit behavior is made.

If the "magic" is happening in the arrangement of the transformer parts then all we need replicate is the actual transformer arrangement and excite it to get the same current/voltage phasing that the resistor array/commutator does. Remember Figuera says that no real diligence is required so there should not need to be any micron tolerances for gaps ect.

Many people in the past have excited transformers or (coils) from both ends with opposite polarities and different phasing. I fail to understand how people can think no one has tried to do just exactly that before.

Figuera died not long after his claims changed from a 1902 regular inverter type arrangement to a 1908 device that is self powering and outputting copious power as well as running itself with no real changes to the device.
This in itself is odd. Is it possible that the sudden onset of an illness could have affected his judgement ? Back in the day he lived little was known of many illnesses which can affect cognitive function. Maybe Bufon was a hypnotist, anything is possible.

The main thing is the device is tested properly and investigated.

Woopy made a video showing a small setup where the output did not affect the input, but that means nothing unless the output is more than the input. What it probably means is the voltage and current output are likely about 90 degrees out of phase.

So we need a north and south inducer coils on cores and an induced coil between, when the north coil is energized as compared to the south coil needs to be graphed. Is it 180 out of phase as in a normal inverter or is it 90 degrees out of phase ?

Bufon's claim that to get industrial scale currents the induced coils need to be wound under the inducer coils on the same core means something. That is if he did make the claim, I don't read Spanish. 

Cheers

Farmhand:

I also don't read spanish. I typed the patent of Buforn in to google translate and got the translation.

I do not know what is the phase of the secondary with respect to the primary. What I did is simple.

Wound a single wire secondary core on P1. 3 layers If I remember correctly about 85 to 88 turns per layer.
Wound the primary upon the secondary. Quadfilar primary.
Primary is wound for a number of layers and turns. Probably about four or five.
Primary and secondary are wound in same direction. This is P1.

Identical P2 is also wound.

The secondary is the middle coil which is single wired and is made up of many layers and a number of turns.

Connection is like this NSP1- NSs-NSP2

Now I do not know if there is any 90' phase difference or 180' phase difference is there. What is the phase difference between the secondary and primary of a normal transformer must have been there as all the secondaries are connected in series.

Regarding phase difference between the P1 and P2 I do not know. Current circulated four times in P1 before it went to P2 where it circulated four times. So a time varying magnetic field is present in both P1 and P2. This induces the secondary which works.

There is nothing more than this for me to disclose at the moment. Sufficient information is given for any one to replicate the device.

Farmhand:

Please check Buforn's patent. He demonstrated it before the spanish patent office. The spanish patent examiner agreed that the machine worked as claimed. That translation is provided by Hanon himself I think.

In my experiments what I have understood is this. Electricity and Magnetism can exist together or exist apart. We have had magnetism cancelled in devices we built but we have had eddy currents in the electromagnets. The rods did not magnetize. It depends on the way we wind the wires.

Similarly as I reported earlier if the magnet is very strong it blocks the electricity from moving forward. It is quite possible that iron rods have high impedance so electricity is not going to the load. Alternatively what I believed was that the powerful magnet acts in the reverse way of a rotating permanent or electromagnet that produces electricity and the static powerful electromagnet simply absorbed the electricity and sent it to atmosphere like a blackhole.

So we really do not have full information on this subject. You would no where find the info that high voltage: amperage ratio is a must for secondary to work. But thinking about it, I'm not aware of any transformer in mass use that uses low voltage and high amperage as input and works. My knowledge as I repeatedly acknowledge is limited but even if they do work, their efficiency would be way too low.

Calling Buforn a hyponotist or Figuera might have gone insane at old age are not fair when the Patent office has examined the device and certified that it worked as claimed. Simply because we do not have such devices today does not mean that the technology did not exist. There are several technologies of ancient era that are superior to todays technology but have disappeared. We do not have any information on them. Hanon must be complimented for his hard work to bring this patent and the device to our attention. My only limited part is I modified the device, understood the patent, eliminated the unnecessary parts and made the device a simple one. Because the input is given as AC or can be given as pulsed DC..