Quote from: marathonman on February 28, 2014, 03:47:59 PM
Dieter i don't think they are the same. yours has two positive peaks and two negative peaks from two different coils and i have one coil producing only a positive peak up and down and one coil producing only a negative peak up and down with o voltage line being shifted every 180*. 

Although I believe I remember it was said (by who?) the polarity of the inductors is alternating, your concept may as well be interesting. If the device is once built, all these modes can be tested with a few editing of drivers and wiring.

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that deal with the Caps are not a good idea as Clemente NEVER stated a word about caps besides the whole idea was to get magnetic swing with a split core (two).

The only reason why I would use caps is to go out of phase as described, as substitute for the commutator or driver cirquit. This cap would have to be strictly nonaffective on the coil cirquit.
Nonetheless, I had an other idea, extremly simple: the two halfwaves of an ac supply are rectified so now I got them on two cirquits, alternating (the negative side is just pole-flipped), but they still don't overlap, so I could flatten them a little with two caps. By flatten I mean lower the angle of the pulse and increase duty time, just like a deep pass filter. So then these pulses may overlap nicely. and that all with 4 diodes and 2 capacitors.

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if my theory is correct their will be no lenz even produced....my advantage is i am self taught and my mind is not corrupted by present day Academic or Scientific DOGMA that hovers over our Societies keeping us in the dark (dumming down) not allowing the real truth about magnetism and electricity being two sides of the same coin and that it can be pulled from the Environment at your house just like the utility companies do... i am out side the box looking in not the other way around.........i have one board at 500-800 HZ and one at 60 hz i will be testing

I absolutely agree! They closed the books of wisdom and locked them with many seals. . They cannot control the world when there is free energy. Their system would collapse and they would lose everything. From standard oil to the m.i. complex, in the dawn of 20th century it was decided to suppress any independence from oil, coal, uranium. But they can't hide it any longer. It's just a matter of glimpse in time until mankind will proceed, leaving those ticks behind... 
Yeah. About 60hz. I agree. Figuera uses an iron core, so it is certainly no high frequency. Also, his commutator might not been faster than like 3600 rpm, which is 60hz.
Got to keep on winding...

Ok, dear CSI Figuera people, I think we're getting closer. In fact I've just run my figuera generator the very first time. Please note that I quickly wrapped some real ugly coils, so my efficiency is rather low.


I have it in series with a resistor hooked to a 12V AC Source (230v>12v, 50Hz mains), so it will not heat the supply too much. My primaries have a rather low resistance, the wire is relatively thick (like a secondary of a powersupply, maybe 0.3mm). The secondary Y coil uses about the same wire, but it's bigger, probably not a good idea, anyway. The core is made of two E-Shape Ferrite Cores, basicly it's similar to Figueras cores, but without gaps.
The consumption is 6.84 watt.
When I connected the 12 Vac directly to both primaries, voltage and amperes on the Y coil dropped to zero.
When I connected it only to one, the Y coil gave me 4vac and 70mA. Indeed, a miserable efficiency, when used like this, just like a simple transformer.
So I decided to try a simple 90 degrees phase shift on one of the primaries. I didn't have many caps, tried some, finally it turned out, a 470 uF elko worked best. Now, here's the thing:


If one primary gives me 70 mA and 4 vac, then two primaries should give me maybe 4 volt and 140 mA, or probably 8vac and 140 mA, right? So I was really surprised by the secondary output of 7vac and 250mA! And that aint the end of the story: running one primary consumed 6.84 Watts, no matter if the one with or without phaseshift cap, but running them both (7vac, 250mA) consumed exactly 6.84 Watt too!


Guys we're on the right track I think. Am I really the first one who observed this? Very promising, encouraging stuff here! If I just were not so bad in winding coils. Will post some pics later. That was one good night.




EDIT:  it turned out, the resistor alone burns 6.84 Watt, so maybe my killawatt meter was fooled, although when I measured the generator without resistor, it consumed 22 Watt with both primaries and 16 with only one. Seems like the cap must have a capacitance that depends on the voltage/current. Probably it wasn't phased correctly anymore like that. Eighter way  the 250mA result is impressive.


Also interesting: using only one primary gives a rather loud hum, but when both are running, the hum disappears due to internal harmonies and or flux looping. This is just a great, genious concept.


Please excuse the bad image quality

Hi Dieter,
Thanks for sharing your results. I have checked some electric theory and it seems that a cap unphase 90° the voltage. I think we must try to get the current to be unphased too

If you substract the resistor consumption, which is not really due to the device it self, then which is you balance.

I am lately thinking that Figuera really used coil in a row, not closing the magnetic circle. I arrived to this concluion after studing the last Buforn patent. There he cascades many group of three coils in a row saying that "this way you could use both poles of the electromagnet at the same time". He also placed all them in a row, not closing a torus, which apparently had being a better configuration.

This Buforn patent is opposing to the use of closed magnetic cores but it advocates a kind of linear configuration, longitudinal magnets. For some reason he needed to have open magnetic path at both sides of this row of magnets. Please download the pdf with the Buforn patents and check the last drawing. What is your oppinion?

Regards

Hannon and all,

After studying the great "The Practical Guide to Free Energy Devices," I built two HHO devices that worked very well.
My next project was Mr. Figeura's device.
The following were my thoughts on the device:

1. I believed Mr. Figeura's goal was to produce 110V 50Hz AC current. Or what ever was
used where he lived.
2. I believed that each group of three transformers would produce 12V of AC current.
3. Wired in series would it would take 12 transformer assemblies to produce 120V.
4. In addition of the multiple transformer assemblies, I thought he might have used
two or more batteries in series to increase output voltage.
4. I believed Mr. Figeura's drawing of the "resistor" was a convenient way to show
the resistor. But instead of the equal spacing of the resistors shown on his drawing,
they would be placed so that they would form a sign wave to create AC voltage.
5. The only problem I had with the information was that he stated he had achieved
550 volts output! The only way I could make sense of the high voltage was that he
was using some combination of batteries in series to run the device along with the
correct amount of transformer assemblies to get near 550V. Four batteries in series
= 48V times 12 transformer assemblies = 576V AC assuming zero losses. One
thing that I thought of was that no matter how many AC volts he produced all he
had to do was use a conventional transformer to bring it down to 110V at considerable amps.

Last September I joined this fantastic group of people that are trying to "crack" the
mystery of Mr. Figeura's device. I am continually amazed at all the work and
thought you guys are doing.
My skills are in metal working = machining and welding, not electronics. I am working
on the original idea of a mechanical "controller" because I can.
I truly believe that if we figure this out that a solid state electronic device or using
AC from the mains or an inverter, is the way to go. Reliability of the device would be
important in a boat, car, or house.

The only bit of data I have to date was that is relevant is while testing my first
controller I measured .5V on output of my four transformer units.
.4V on unit 3
.3V on unit 2
.1V on unit 1
I was disappointed, but at least I think heading in the right direction.


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Hi Hanon


Right now I think the closed circle is very helpful because it allows the magnetism to flow in circles. The collapsing field of a primary when the voltage is zero does then create a back flux impulse that amplifies the next pulse. As I see it, the circle is perfect, but Figuera stated, that it can be one or more electromagnets.


Right now there are two possibilities: the generator when used with the perfect 90 deg. phase shift cap for the voltage and current given by the supply in series with the 27 ohm resistor:


A: is out of phase in terms of the killawatt meter not being capable of measuring blind current (180 deg out of phase), but the strange thing is, only one primary has a cap so they cannot both be 180 degs out of phase.


B: The generator in this setup does not consume any current


As soon as I run it without the resistor, the phase shift of the cap seems to be no more 90 degrees, so it does not work anymore as it should and draws 22 Watts.


I have yet to make some measurements. But basicly, isn't it amazing that adding a second primary more than triples (is that a word?) the output?


And with this 470 uF cap I probably haven't even tuned it to the max. I think properly winded coils would result in even much greater output. It's so cool to see the amps jump right to the top of the scale (from 70 mA to 250mA) only because I connect primary B! The whole thing is so simple. if you wire one primary the wrong way, no problem then the shift will be -90 and not 90, the generator don't care. Just try some big capacitors until you reach a huge boost on the output. Using the wrong caps gave like 1mA or so...


As I wrote earlier, first I thought too we'd need to shift both current and voltage by 90 degrees, but after experiencing these things I do now think a simple current shift by the cap works absolutely.