Quote from: triffid on June 29, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
Since this thread has been changed to jewish history,I will no longer post here.As i do not know german and have no interest in jewish history.I may post in another thread but i am not interested in the topic discussed here.triffid

I agree, trifffid...
The thread was rather hijacked by one or more Members, NOT including us.
       I've been dealing with serious health issues (i.e., skin cancer---and I'm about to be treated for it by the V.A. in San Francisco).
Furthermore, I've taken a job in national defense; it's a job with "an offer I couldn't refuse."   Literally.
       After you posted last, triffid, it's been quiet around here lately.   I know why, but half the reason is/was:   Certain spiritual issues, in a certain way---and also, the other half: I was told not to give out the absolute truth, regarding the overall subject I would have been talking about.
       I said "national defense", didn't I?

Enough.
My health issues, as well as the need to put food on my table, both add up to my not being around much in the future.   I'll look in at some threads that interest me, but this will be the last post on this thread for awhile.

--Lee

Quote from: triffid on June 29, 2014, 10:46:05 AM
Since this thread has been changed to jewish history,I will no longer post here.As i do not know german and have no interest in jewish history.I may post in another thread but i am not interested in the topic discussed here.triffid

                                         Hello triffid,
this thread is about this "theme :  I see an economic diasater coming... "
and I give only my mentions about the global view about the global evolution and U.S.A. evolution possibilities :
after evolution review !
Interdisciplinary ! But as external knowledge student,neither "University grade" approved
(Abitur ,in German) nor University aula visiting,
but reading - experimenting and thinking about "credo/credibility" and "scio/science" and
left hand lines and right hand lines comparance : "destination" the program(m)atic C.V. !

You do not need to believe in religion but you will have to accept some magical possibiliteis
which are offered by "some- " thing what you did not found up to day-
cause you would not be here as member : passing free-time 

                 There is - hard teleologic science- and -soft teleologic science- ,here a soft example :
                               https://archive.org/details/MontyPython-TheMeaningOfLife1983


                                            Think =decide telescopical : back and for-ward !
                                               Excerzising your internal time-machine review         
                                                         
                                                                        REPORT

Shalom-Salam und Tschau- vale bene !
OCWL

Quote from: the_big_m_in_ok on July 08, 2014, 03:41:25 PM
       I agree, trifffid...
The thread was rather hijacked by one or more Members, NOT including us.
       I've been dealing with serious health issues (i.e., skin cancer---and I'm about to be treated for it by the V.A. in San Francisco).
Furthermore, I've taken a job in national defense; it's a job with "an offer I couldn't refuse."   Literally.
       After you posted last, triffid, it's been quiet around here lately.   I know why, but half the reason is/was:   Certain spiritual issues, in a certain way---and also, the other half: I was told not to give out the absolute truth, regarding the overall subject I would have been talking about.
       I said "national defense", didn't I?

Enough.
My health issues, as well as the need to put food on my table, both add up to my not being around much in the future.   I'll look in at some threads that interest me, but this will be the last post on this thread for awhile.

--Lee

                                                              Hello Lee
(what is the matter with your health issues ?   Do not be so worry    and against brain
complications here one recipe :" Marty Feldmann ,this virtual pills in many different aromatics available         https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=marty+feldman+youtube         

                               http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Feldman

                                                            and

                               how long is "for awhile" from  earth historic age view ?


Sincerely
              OCWL

                                  Hello Lee,
yesterday,Thursday 09.07.2014, I walked on the Castro de Sao Paio/San Pelayo,besides Vila Chá :
in Labruge/Vila do Conde , over Runes(letters)
http://fotos.sapo.pt/daraopedal/fotos/?uid=o92VTqKRQup7DfjpbFNs
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=6340819

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runen
https://www.google.de/search?q=runen&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=sOu9U6ftGcXz0gXlpIGIBg&ved=0CCsQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612



and searched the way back from our language up
to the Skyten/Skhyten and saw also this video on youtube :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKflxooXUko

complaining with


Der dreizehnte Stamm



Der dreizehnte Stamm (englisch The Thirteenth Tribe) ist ein 1976 erschienenes Sachbuch von Arthur Koestler, das sich populärwissenschaftlich mit der umstrittenen These beschäftigt, das östliche Judentum stamme vom Volk der Chasaren ab. Dieses bildete im frühen Mittelalter ein Reich in Südrussland und nahm, zumindest zum Teil, die jüdische Religion an. Koestler bezieht sich auf Abraham N. Poliak.
Obwohl die These in der Öffentlichkeit Aufmerksamkeit erregte, wurde sie von den etablierten Historikern abgelehnt. Neueren genetischen Forschungen, die gegen einen nennenswerten Anteil an chasarischen Vorfahren unter den heute lebenden Aschkenasim sprechen,[1] widersprach der israelische Genetiker Eran Elhaik, der in einer DNA-Analyse eine hohe Übereinstimmung zwischen dem Genom der aschkenasischen Juden und der Völker im Kaukasus feststellte.[2][3][4]Unterstützung erhielt Elhaiks Arbeit vom israelischen Historiker Shlomo Sand, der darin eine Bestätigung der Thesen in seinem Buch Die Erfindung des jüdischen Volkes sieht.[5][/font][/size]
Viele Antizionisten und Antisemiten beriefen sich später auf Koestlers Werk, um die Legitimität des Staates Israel zu bestreiten.[6][7] Koestler selbst war sich der Gefahr des Missbrauchs durchaus bewusst und schrieb dazu: ,,Ob die Chromosomen seines Volkes nun die Gene der Chasaren oder solche semitischer, romanischer oder spanischer Herkunft enthalten, ist irrelevant und kann nicht das Existenzrecht Israels berühren – noch auch die moralische Verpflichtung jedes zivilisierten Menschen, ob Nichtjude oder Jude, dieses Recht zu verteidigen."[/font][/size]Ausgaben[Bearbeiten]The Thirteenth Tribe. The Khazar Empire and its Heritage. Hutchinson, London 1976, ISBN 0-09-125550-3[/li]
[li]Der dreizehnte Stamm. Das Reich der Khasaren und sein Erbe. Aus dem Englischen übertragen von Johannes Eidlitz. Molden, Wien/München/Zürich 1977, ISBN 3-217-00790-5; Pawlak, Herrsching 1991, ISBN 3-88199-878-0[/li]
[li][/font][/size]Literatur[Bearbeiten][/font][/size]

https://www.google.de/search?q=castro+de+sao+paio&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=tOy9U6-FAeq20QWopYCgAg&ved=0CCIQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=612


                       Knesseth, der Staat Israel ist multitheistisch,
                       nicht nur juedisch-israelitisch-avramaeisch !

                       Cosmopolitisch-wie ein jeder Buerger und Buergerin !
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I am living here in an aerea with some million years of history about biological/fossil live ,
but also human/citizen evolution whose evolution today is not even "touched" cause the several
hundred thousands of years of citania/civilisation are now to find in subaquatic dimension !
Some tens of kilometers from coast line to sea will have to become researched and the history explored !


About the S.Paio tableau runes I would estimate- by turning the runes:
the first rune indicates Ur ~ A'U'e'r  in symbolic "cornu-manner" and going back to mesopotamiens
abrahamic-babylonic language misunderstandings: cow ranching Viehzucht


the second rune: kraut ranching    Acker/Agrar -Bau


the third rune : a(i)r-rogance (like bird feet spurs on fine sand)


Have a good day in Great Los An'kh'eles,California
                                                                               OCWL



p.s.: pardon triffid but this makes part of the world exploring,since the Templers :

Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 171 (in Portuguese) :

Os judeus sefarditas (ou sefardins) chegaram à peninsula ibérica na Antiguidade ("Sefarad" é a palavra hebraica que designa a Peninsula Ibérica).
Na idade Média,tiveram um papel économoico e cultural extremamente importante : os reis de Portugal rodeavam-se de banqueiros e médicos judeus,nos quais confiavam plenamente.
Por isso foi contra vontade que D.Manuel I,
para poder dasar com D.Isabel,filha dos Reis Católicos de Espanha,teve de expulsar todos os judeus em 1497,o que representou um auténtico desastre para a economia do pais.Alguns judeus emigraram,muitos converteram-se ao cristianismo. A maioria dos  "Cristaos Novos" apesar de terem escolhido nomes como Cruz,Trindade,Santos,continuaram a practicar secretamente a sua religiao. Desta práctica religiosa,cristae e hebraica,nasceu o culto dos "marranos" (mahrán significa proibido em árabe ) Foram numerosos em Faro,no Porto,na Covilhae,em Tomar,Amarante e Castelo de Vide.


Google translator:

Sephardic Jews (Sephardim or) reached the Iberian peninsula in antiquity ("Sefarad" is the Hebrew word for the Iberian Peninsula).
In the Middle Ages, had an extremely important économoico and cultural role: the kings of Portugal is surrounded bankers and Jewish physicians, in which fully trusted.
So will that was against Manuel I,
to be able to D.Isabel dasar, daughter of the Catholic Kings of Spain, had to expel all Jews in 1497, representing a total disaster for the economy of pais.Alguns Jews emigrated, many were converted to Christianity. Most "new Christians" despite having chosen names like Cruz, Trinidad, Santos continued to secretly practicing their religion. This religious, cristae and Hebrew practice, worship of "Marranos" was born (Mahran means forbidden in Arabic) were numerous in Faro, Porto, in Covilhae in Tomar, Amarante and Castelo de Vide.


Read , also the different portuguese/english orthografic and content meanings !



Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170 :
"TOMAR" Distrito de Santarém


Dos Templários aos Cavaleiros de Cristo-
No inicio do séc. XII. em plena Reconquista,era aqui que passava a fronteira entre os Cristáos e os Mouros.A ordem dos Cavaleiros do Templo,que fora criada em Jerusalém em1119,edificou aqui em 1160 um convento-fortaleza que se tornou a casa maé da ordem em Portugal.
Em 1314, apedido do rei francés Filipe o Belo,o papa Clemente V ordenou a dissolucáo da ordem dos Templo. Em Portugal,o rei D.Dinis criou entáo,em1320, uma nova ordem, a dos Cavaleiros de Criso,que recuperou os bens da ordem do Templo e cujos frades cavaleiros eram na sua maioria antigos templários.A sede desta nova ordem foi em primeiro lugar  estabelicida em Castro Marim,no Algarve,e em seguida em 1356 em Tomar.O periodo áureo dos Cavaleiros de Cristo situa-se no inicio do séc. XV. sendo entáo o Infante D.Henrique o seu grande mestre (1414 a 1460 ) . A fortuna imensa da ordempermite-lhe financiar as grandes descobrimentos,armando caravelas que arvoram o emblema da ordem, a grande cruz vermelha.
Os Portugueses exploram entáo a costa africana,contornam o Cabo da Boa-Esperanca e chegam á India.
Esta opuléncia traduz-se em Tomar pela riqueza da decoracáo manuelina.


Google translator:

Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170
  "TAKE" Distrito de Santarém


Templar to Knights of Christ-
At the beginning of the century. XII. Reconquista in full, here was passing the boundary between Christians and Mouros.A order of the Knights Templar, which was created in Jerusalem em1119, built here in 1160 a convent-fortress that became the mother house of the order in Portugal.
In 1314, apedido the French King Philip the Fair, Pope Clement V ordered the dissolution of the Temple. In Portugal, the King Dinis So em1320, has created a new order, the Knights of Criso, who recovered the goods of the order of the Temple Knights, whose brothers were mostly antique templários.A headquarters of this new order was first estabelicida place in Castro Marim, Algarve, and then in 1356 in Tomar.O golden period of the Knights of Christ is located at the beginning of the century. XV. and then Prince Henry his Grand Master (1414-1460). The immense fortune ordempermite you finance the great discoveries setting caravels flying badge of the order, the big red cross.
The Portuguese then explore the African coast, skirting the Cape of Good Hope and India will arrive.
This translates into opulence take the wealth of Manueline decoration.


Google and my optimation(not perfect and not totally) :


Michelin "Portugal Madeira-Acores" page 170:  "TOMAR" Distrito de Santarém


From the Templar to the Knights of Christ-
At the beginning of the century. XII. the Reconquista in full, here was passing the boundary between Christians and Mouros.An order of the Knights Templar, which was created in Jerusalem em1119, built here in 1160 a convent-fortress that became the mother house of the order in Portugal. In 1314, at the request of the French King Philip the Pretty, Pope Clement V ordered the dissolution of the Temple order . In Portugal, 1320,the King Dinis so created a new order, the Knights of Christ, who recovered the goods of the order of the Temple Knights, whose brothers were mostly ancient templers.A headquarters of this new order was first estabeliced in a place called Castro Marim, Algarve, and then in 1356 in Tomar.O golden period of the Knights of Christ is located at the beginning of the century. XV. with the Prince Henry as the order  Grand Master (1414-1460). The immense fortune of the ordem allowed him to finance the great discoveries setting caravels flying badge of the order, the big red cross. The Portuguese then explore the African coast, skirting the Cape of Good Hope and reached India . This  opulence is shown us by the decorative richdom from the manuelian style in Tomar.
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If somebody mokes me about my personal translation style     then I will moke him back with
Google translations , so cryptical, not to say gruftie-groovie    

Do not trust even professionell translators, as  comedian warning :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROjvFGU2tDY&feature=kp


"BS" happens in reality :
http://www.uebersetzerportal.de/nachrichten/n-archiv/2005/2005-04/2005-04-12.htm


Irrtum,Herr Wladimir Putin,dabei nicht Sie-als Germanisten-,sondern natuerlich Karl Marx berichtigend :


                     " Plebejer aller Welt,vereinigt euch ! "   So haette es zu Heißen gehabt !


                      Latein: plebs/plebejer  versus proles/proleta 


                                       Marx und Engels ,den Kontext nicht begriffen ! 

I am working on a project with my brother and we are generating a few watts of power but that is really for another thread.Which I may or may not start.I already mentioned it before in this thread.The USA economy is declining and has been for the last 50 years.The world overall is getting richer but at the expense of the USA. That is how I see things now.triffid