bajac
sorry to say, but when manipulating the rotors, a couple of magnets went loose and crashed together (hopelessly broken)
For the moment no funds available for replacement.

Anyway  insisting in my previous observations, Lorenz force (and Lenz effect) are present when loadding.

Have you visited the qantamagnetics page ? http://quantamagnetics.com/
There device uses a simmilar design (last version with 3 rotors 2 stators)

Quote from: ALVARO_CS on October 16, 2014, 02:11:35 PM
bajac
sorry to say, but when manipulating the rotors, a couple of magnets went loose and crashed together (hopelessly broken)
For the moment no funds available for replacement.

I am sorry to hear that. I hope things turn around for you.

QuoteAnyway  insisting in my previous observations, Lorenz force (and Lenz effect) are present when loadding.

It is true for all coil currents induced by magnetic fields! The real issue and question are, how much? And the historical records show that the 10MW Ferranti's disc armature alternators were really especial and different from the iron core drum alternators.

QuoteHave you visited the qantamagnetics page ? http://quantamagnetics.com/
There device uses a simmilar design (last version with 3 rotors 2 stators)

I saw this video and I think it is way too complicated! The persons building these machines know that somehow using the ironless induction coils is a way for obtaining overunity. However, it is too complicated and inefficient because the operating principle for overunity is not clearly understood. Note that the magnetic circuit is similar to the wind ironless generator winding and equally inefficient.


Do you really understand the principle of operation of this machine or whatever is being explained?
My philosophy is "the learning process in a classroom consists of 90% responsibility of the teacher or professor for explaining the subject and 10% responsibility of the students or audience for paying attention." In other words, if you do not understand what is being taught, it is more likely the person explaining it does not understand it either. If the person really knows the subject, he/she must be capable of finding a way to bring it to your level. I have experiences with professors that gave the impression of knowledge and wisdom, but in reality it was all memorization and repetition. They just memorize the books in a mechanical manner. Like in the advertisement business, if it is repeated often people tend to believe that it is true.


What I proposed in the published paper is something simple. A method that was tested with alternators sized for 10MW without complicated electronics. True they did not say overunity was obtained, but there is enough information that directly refer to extraordinary performances of these machines. I am moving ahead with a construction and testing of a prototype.

Hello all
@ hanon:Forgive me if this is out of topic (I thought to use this as input for a Figuera setup)

@ Bajac: thanks for your comments
here attached the setup I am testing now. It is similar to the previous one,but simplified


motor Input idle: 0.01A @ 4 V idle
motor Input in setup: 0.1A @4V (no load)
motor input in setup loaded: 0.3A@4v (load 100 Ohm 1/2W)

coil out rectified no load:DC 37V
coil out rectified loaded: less than 0.01A

edit:magnets are 10 mm diam. x 20 mm length (typo)

What was it about the late 1800's that spawned so many self-exciting generators? What did they know that we today don't know or forgot. Even if the ideas didn't work what possessed  them to patent the concept. One can argue that Figuera's device can be classified as a "Self exciting electric generator" would anyone challenge that from his patents?

Having said that my post does not look to derail any currently working projects but to add to the knowledge OR better yet enhance the knowledge of the team. Some time ago I researched self-exciting generators, attached to this post are some very informative patents that should provide critical data to the Figuera device. Please take the time and review the devices they all have a lot in common with Figuera's device. Maybe they even fill in the missing data in his device.

.........FYI my personal favorite is the Moses device I had always suspected that a secondary coil could be omitted and energy extracted out of the iron core material.

Good reading:

Fernendez

  What makes you think these concepts dont work? The purpose of a patent is secure a persons idea so they can reap the rewards for their hard work. To prevent some conglomerate from capitalizing off it by way of theft. Even in a world of safe guards some thieves have the resources to get away with it in spite of the laws. Particularly those industries which have a monopoly in reality. 10 companies owned by one person or one family is hardly in moral compliance with anti monopoly laws. Then again morals are a abstract concept in themselves. The less a person is moral the more abstract becomes the concept.
   As to what you don't know, well that's hard to figure with out knowing what you do know to compare the two. What is or should be self evident is the foundation upon which modern knowledge is based is absent.People went the way of specialization so each person would become more dependent on each other for the sake of economics. You only need to know what is required for you to do your job. To learn for the sake,,,,, well nothing is socially unacceptable Every time you do more then you need to you make the people around you look bad. You need only compete with the people your surrounded by, your peers. It s a sliding scale  and doing less is rewarded by job security. It has crept into every corner of life and every way. If you go back into history into the time of B.C. we are pretty stupid today. Flawed in virtually everything of importance, so lazy that it would not be outside the realm of thinking that we would not survive in the past. Modern man would be the village idiot.
  Why would a person with a slide rule need a computer? Do you think a person from 100 yrs ago or more would spend so much money on a computer or the time to learn to operate it when they could just as easily go out and get a slide rule which requires no electricity and fits into a shirt pocket. Can go through washing process in ones pocket with out damage can be used in the rain.If cared for can last for ever and never need updating or become subject to hacking or viruses.
  How many people even know what a slide rule is? Everything is sold on the pretense of making things more easy and faster so people can be more productive.All they ended up with is more stupid and fat and less appreciative of everything because they did not have to work very hard for it and never have time enjoy it. They just think they are working hard because someone told them they are so they would continue to follow the prescribed path of an economic model. Why do something if you don't have to? Maybe you should be considering the source of that question. Would not a thief ask the same of looking your doors?