Complex "perpetual Motion" toy systems.

Pulsed simple pendulum can lead-out gravitational energy.  How about double pendulum systems?

How about the whole set of "perpetual motion toys"?

Morality point:

Some observed systems are too complex to analyze mathematically.  Should we accept the results?  Human emotions are often complex.  Can we steer them to do good?

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Quote from: noonespecial on January 01, 2015, 06:09:28 PM
Like this?

I like it. This may be the principle used in perpetual motion toys.

Morality point:

Think outside the box.  Simple things may change the world.  Apple falling on Newton's head!  What would trigger you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E08MugR5qTM

The video shows the swinging stick as shown in Iron Man 2.

It is swinging pendulums driven by batteries and magnets.  The batteries can last more than 2 years with the sticks in constant motion.

Is lead-out energy involved?

Morality Point:

If lead-out theory is correct, what are the implications???

The experimental observations on the Milkovic 2SO or the Chan Wheel.

1. If the construction is shaky, much energy is lost.  The amplitude will decrease significantly. 
2. If the construction is firm, the amplitude decrease is small.

If the amplitude decrease is small, there is strong ground to argue that gravitational energy has been lead-out or brought-in.

One further observation is that the Weight W1 is lifted higher on the later swings.  See reply 2153 for an additional proof.  (The mathematics are not the same as the person did not use centrifugal force as the explanation).  If gravitational energy were brought-in, the energy available to lift W1 will be more even if resonance was not achieved...

Morality point:

1.  If we forget about the pendulum and use a 2 pound weight to do work.  The 2 pounds added to 99 pounds will be 101 pounds and can raise the 100 weight W1.  The distance moved by the 2 pound extra weight is exactly the same as the height raised by the 100 weight.
2. If we are not careful, we may say that the Input is 2 pounds x height and the Output is 100 p3.ounds x the same height.  The COP would then be 50!

3.  It is true that the additional 2 pound weight can raise the 100 weight to the same distance.  It is also true that after removal of the 2 pound weight, the lever will fall back to its original position.

What is the moral of this story???