Quote from: d3adp00l on August 04, 2007, 02:25:02 PM
Hey ring as far as proof for building 7, read the thread. as far as honor goes, so what we should just shutup and let the honor of our country go to crap. As far as anarchy, so what we should do is allow what every knows to be corrupt to still exist and not change it. Ok Benedict, do you work for the government, with the way you double talk, and bring up the same old points that have been destroyed time and time again, I would say that YOU stand to lose something and you are fighting an irrational fight to keep it.
Face it here are the facts, and they have been presented multiple times on this thread, look it up.

Buildings 1&2, could not fail due to fuel fire, could not cause earthquake explosions, was not hot enough to stop people from being very close to the fires, was designed to withstand such an incident, would not have sustained damage from explosions prior to plane impact, would not have had damage in lobby, would not have had multiple explosions throughout the building, would not have collapsed in 9 seconds, would not have collapsed into itself which would take the most energy, would not have main support collumns cut, would not have enough energy to melt steel, would not have enough energy to remain hot for a month, would not have enough energy to powderize concrete or the rest of the contents of the building, would not expel jets off the side in a collapse, how does a plane hit this buildng and is somehow hot enough to melt steel but the same type of plane hits the pentagon and can't even burn a couple floors leaving wood desks stools books computers and everything else, want more?!?!


Building 7 would not have collapsed from a few fires, had little damage from failing debris meaning structure intact, would not fall in a few seconds, would not fall from the top down, would not fall into its own footprint, would not have two fracture lines vertically on the sides of the building, would have some explanation in the nist report, would not be hot enough to smolder for months, would not be hot enough to melt steel, would not collapse its basement, if building 4 had 1/4 of the building still standing after the debris leveled the rest and that 1/4 had to be dropped with demo cranes later then there is not reason for 7 to have every dropped,why announce (bbc,cnn)  that 7 had dropped when it hadn't if no one already knew, what happened to all the investigations that the building held paperwork for- are they still ongoing,Want more?!?!


World trade center, why would a buildings power be shut down for communication wiring, just to let you all know the systems are 100% independant of eachother and there is no reason on earth for doing that, if there was warning (which officials have said many times) why relax security, if the buildings were losing money for the port auth. which made them chose to lease it for 99 years why reward the "investor" with a grand total of 8.4 bil $, who made the money on the recycleing instead of investigating it, where is the gold, why does it seem that there was a ton of insider bank account transactions, would bought the "put" options, why when security is relaxed and cameras/card locks down would you "rewire" a building, you did that work and where is the permit for it, who is now paying for the new construction, and who all benefits from it. Turning a couple hundred grand into a new super tower with no mortgage is a neat trick.


Pentagon, wheres the plane, wheres the plane, wheres the plane, how did the hole get into the buildings,why is the damaged light poles and yet no debris, why are there windows intact in the place where the plane would have hit, how did a plane "vaporize" for the first time ever and yet make holes in an armored building, did I say wheres the plane, where video of the impact every inche of the building is under camera, why did the section collapse, not enough heat to burn books and stools, what was in the wood box, where are the bodies of the occupants, why is the plane still listed active, wheres the luggage , wheres the seats, wheres the plane, how does an elephant of an airplane invade the world's most secure airspace, and how does that elephant do a u turn in that airspace, hours after we "know" we are under an attack, why is there enough energy to vaporize an entire plane and its contents but the few so called parts of the skin are completely fresh and clean, how does a couple engine parts end up at a crash scene that could not of came from the type of plane that was said to hit it, how does a wheel shrink, no plane has ever crashed no matter the speed without leaving nearly all the plane left, how does a plane hit this building and barely burns leaving wood, paper, plastic, and everything but hit the wtc and somehow melts steel, and how does the plane even pull the last manuever when the fly by wire software system WILL NOT ALLOW such turns to be made, why does the FDR black box data not match the needed altitudes or angles to hit the building if it is the data from that plane, how does that box survive and yet so many others don't, remember the plane was vaporized, wheres the other engine, and how did the one engine shrink, why was evidence removed before it was tagged in its locations (a federal crime), Want more?!?!


Flight 93 how does it land in chicago and yet cash in penn., how does it leave no bodies luggage seats etc, how does most of it evaporate, how does it for the first time in history leave a crater, how is it not intercepted many hours after attacks, how are cell phones working, how is it that the scene is locked down almost imediately, how is it forgotten, how is it that most of the plane was vaporized but not enough heat to damage a nearby house, want more?!?!


Passports,passenger logs,remains,lists of the dead from the planes, and on and on and on


How is it that people did this
and how is it that so many accept the lies
how is it that you fabricate explanations to support it
is this a magic plane theory, like the magic bullet that hit jfk,

You sir are either so dependant on this system that you would rather live in this muck, or a supporter of the system that would allow, help, condone what happened.

WTF?!? Let me get this strait! You sir are the one conspiring against the government by spreading conspiracies about how the government perpitrated an attack on americans and you call me benidict? You got great big brass balls! Your the one committing treason and you try to act like i'm the benidict?  OMFG! All because i offer a alternative viewpoint and present possibilities that support that maybe the government wasn't responcible and actual terrorists comitted these acts? You ask if i work for the government? what are ya goofy? If i worked for the government do you think that for one minute you would be spreading this propaganda right now? What about my technology would a government employee be releasing their technology so readily? I think not! You cannot even reason wiether or not i'm a government employee?! What ever made me think you could understand the obvious like terrorists flew planes into their intended targets? 

Two words "prove it"

Prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that the accused terrorist did it.

Why weren't highjacking transponder codes used on a single plane.

Btw, I have not conspired anything, I have made observations, if those observations say that someone has done an act as horrendous as this, then that person/persons are not a part of a government I am under.

Fallout of 9-11, war on terrorism, 1st search for Bin Laudin, never found him, and had no reason to, he had nothing to do with it as far as the evidence can show. But he's a terrorist, so we'll invade a country anyway. Afganistan told us if we could show proof they would not only allow us in but would help us find him, we show no evidence (to them or to our citizens) and then we invade. Then we see a video tape, that don't not prove anything.

2nd Sadam, he was put in power by us, given weapons from us, and now he's a bad guy (I have no reliable evidence to say he was or wasn't a bad guy), we are told he has WMDs (what does that have to do with our search for Bin Lauden, in the words of our president "there is no link between sadam and bin laudin", but we go in anyway, and do we find weapons, no we don't. But we do find sadam.

We mean to tell me we can't find a leader of a terrorist organization, with what resources he has, but we can find a man who ruled over a country, who had all the military at his disposal, and enough money too. He couldn't find a way out but Osama can. Thats rich.

And if you remember your american history my friend you will remember that it was a british gov. and Benedict was trying to keep it that way, holding on to the gov. that was mistreating the people and not allowing them a voice on what was to be done. In all reality it was started over the fact that the brits had ruled to take away the colonial money and make us use the brit pound which carried with it heavy taxes from brit banks. Which was to be used to pay the taxes we have all been told about. The colonial dollar didn't have interest owed to a bank, and could be used here without them being able to track and tax it. So someone who stands behind a gov. that is doing wrong by its people, mistreating them, not listening to them, taxing the piss out of them, allowing us to be invaded, helping the invaders weaken our  society, killing/hurting/imprisoning/enslaving other peoples who have never done anything to us, would be a Benedict in my book. Shall I continue... Bill of Rights, they died so I can say what I am saying now, they died so they could stop the things that were happening then, to give us the right and obligation to stop it from happening again.

When you see where this is going, where the inevitable course lies, maybe you will do something to prepare yourself, or maybe you will just close your eyes again.


Prove the explanation we have been given for the course of action taken. Prove it as if you were being accused of it. Lets restart this analysis again. Forget the buildings and prove who did it, prove they were on the planes, prove that they had the ability to fly those planes, to navigate those planes,(its not as if you can stop and ask directions) that would be a start.

No one person group or entity can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt. neither side of the debate has enough REAL evidence to support their findings. So far i'm the only one here that is offering an unbiased opinion. Oh believe me if the government did it or I can find enough evidence that they did. I would be on their case like stink on shit. This administration sux and need to be hung for crimes against the constitution and "we the people". The list goes on and on the things that they are responcible for. starting with rigging an election, destroying rights, freedoms, and liberties as well as lieing to us, Destroying our sense of security and privacy by warrentless wiretaps and the checks and balances surrounding them. I'm sure the americans that frequent this forum could come up with hundreds or thousands of other things that the administration has done without any doubt and a clear and concise paper trail exists.

I, like you and many others want to believe that the administration is behind 9/11 as well. HOWEVER... I will not make that claim or defend it untill i can without a shadow of a doubt and that means exploring *ALL* possibilities known and unknown untill they are exhausted. I have been falsly accused and know what kind of damage that can be done. as a result I advocate for the real truth and true justice. I'm not going to be so simple minded as to go oohh look the building fell like an implosion so it was imploded, Ohh i heard a big boom so therefore explosives was used, Jet fuel don't burn hot enough to melt iron so therminite was used, and on and on. That is a lynching mob mentality and i'll not be a part of that.

You prove it! prove to me that the administration without a shadow of doubt did this. That shouldn't be too hard? Concidering i allready dislike the administration.

3/4" chunks of people a block away? what question does that pose? It's a simple answer Shreaded by the impact of the plane and ejected from the building landing a block away. But what does 3/4" chunks of people have to do with who actually perpitrated it? what does it contribute to such an investigation?
Like WTC 7 who gives a flying flip wiether it was demoloshed or fell due to structural damage, debris and fire. it was evacuated! What point does knowing anything about WTC 7 have to do with who orchistrated 9/11?       

I will go through this in reverse order from what you said Ring. Knowing that wtc 7 was intentionally brought down does a lot for understanding all that happened that day. Even if the towers fell from a plane it does not explain wtc7, which would mean that the whole event was planned by people with access to the buildings, which gives us a clue as to who to look at. They would have also needed the equipment to plan devices, and understanding of how to bring buildings down effectively. What and who was using the building can also help us to narrow down the responsiblity, who gained from it. These things help us to narrow down the possible suspects.


The 3/4" human remains on the roofs was to demonstrate the explosive nature of the buildings collapse. I don't was to sound cold in this, but a little necessary, I want everyone to know that I understand that we are talking about people, fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, sons, and daughters, they had lives that need to be respected, that being said. If people were inside the buildings and yet bone fragments were expelled further than the major debris field then it says to me that the interior of the floors would under explosive prior to the floors collapse. Given the size of the remains there was a tremendous amount of force released (enough to tear a person to shreads) prior to the floors fall. And air pressure doesn't do that to people, explosive force does. If the floors were simply pancaking then it would have contained those people inside.

The point I will make about who the admin was involved is pretty simple. Who had the power/control to stand down our jets from intercepting those planes. Who hamstringed the investigate, who accused people who could not have done it, who had the acts and bills already drafted, who stated that something like this would be needed to begin change, who is benefiting from the recourse after, who had the resources to allow,hamper anyone from stopping it, and allowing the parts to be placed. The Biggest of those is the intercept jets, If norad can't stop a passenger plane from hitting the pentagon, how could they stop a high speed bomber from getting to any target it desired. Norad is not that incompitant, and alone tells me someone inside acted deliberately. All the preprepared actions/documents tells me without a doubt. The fact that secret service didn't immediately secure the pres is also a dead give away, if "terrorist" could hit two towers, why not a school house.

I applaud your objectiveness admist this onslaught from us. But I have seen enough evidence that I have no doubt that certain people in the admin. knew and helped, that certain private citizens knew and helped, that certain people foreign to this country knew and helped, that certain military personel knew and helped, and that may people and organizations didn't know but were used to help. If you have yet to see enough evidence that is fine, but I implore you as a thinking person to allow all the evidence to be wieghed equally. Don't just say no to it, look at all the evidence all the movies, all the professionals, and all the repercusions. To say "I don't know who did it, because lack of evidence of any argument" is a much different statement than to support an explanation that is flawed but accepted by most.

And the fact that you acknowledgement what our government has done in the past and present, and believe that it needs to be relooked at and made better, says to me that you do not support all their actions and therefore I retract the Benedict statement. So many people say " we have it better here than anyone else in the world so shut up", I am not satisfied by what they call better, and to stop trying to improve is a crime against our forefathers. Is the evidence I have enough to convict, proly not, is it enough to really investigate, yes, is it enough for us to stop passing laws against our own people, yes, is it enough to stop invasions of other countries, yes, is it enough to stop war profitteering, yes, is it enough to make a change in how our system works, absolutely.

Thermite was there. aluminum oxide was delivered by the planes themselfs. molten iron I say yes so both were present.
But don't listen to me.
http://news-service.stanford.edu/pr/00/aluminum511.html