Can someone else handle this... I just spent the last month explaining it to ring to no avail. I really don't have time to get sucked right back in to this rediculous debate. Any chance you can go back through the thread and read when we all discussed these points? Also I posted video that shows the north face of WTC7... no hole... no damage. Just debris piled up right to the front door, but the face of the building was fine. The "spire" that stood for an extra 5 seconds max. Is shown in one of the controlled demo theory videos. You can see it being made, by 3 mistimed explosions.

Again... I'm simply too busy to play this 911 truth/bullshit game right now.

My main points are:
LIQUID MOLTEN STEEL PRE COLAPSE!
WTC7 FELL AS FAST AS THE CHUNKS OF STUFF IN FREE FALL!

I'm sure you think there is a scientific explations you can spout off over and over, but I don't have time to play that game.

~Dingus Mungus

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on August 13, 2007, 04:22:43 PM
Can someone else handle this... I just spent the last month explaining it to ring to no avail. I really don't have time to get sucked right back in to this rediculous debate. Any chance you can go back through the thread and read when we all discussed these points? Also I posted video that shows the north face of WTC7... no hole... no damage. Just debris piled up right to the front door, but the face of the building was fine. The "spire" that stood for an extra 5 seconds max. Is shown in one of the controlled demo theory videos. You can see it being made, by 3 mistimed explosions.

Again... I'm simply too busy to play this 911 truth/bullshit game right now.

My main points are:
LIQUID MOLTEN STEEL PRE COLAPSE!
WTC7 FELL AS FAST AS THE CHUNKS OF STUFF IN FREE FALL!

I'm sure you think there is a scientific explations you can spout off over and over, but I don't have time to play that game.

~Dingus Mungus

Ok i'll handle it np.   

Quote from: Dingus Mungus on August 13, 2007, 04:22:43 PM
Can someone else handle this... I just spent the last month explaining it to ring to no avail. I really don't have time to get sucked right back in to this rediculous debate. Any chance you can go back through the thread and read when we all discussed these points? Also I posted video that shows the north face of WTC7... no hole... no damage. Just debris piled up right to the front door, but the face of the building was fine. The "spire" that stood for an extra 5 seconds max. Is shown in one of the controlled demo theory videos. You can see it being made, by 3 mistimed explosions.

Again... I'm simply too busy to play this 911 truth/bullshit game right now.

My main points are:
LIQUID MOLTEN STEEL PRE COLAPSE!
WTC7 FELL AS FAST AS THE CHUNKS OF STUFF IN FREE FALL!

I'm sure you think there is a scientific explations you can spout off over and over, but I don't have time to play that game.

~Dingus Mungus

Hey, it's cool. We are all busy so...whatever. As I already wrote, I spent about two days going through every page of this thread, sorry, I did not see your answers to my questions. Anyone out there can correct me if I am wrong, I will not be ashamed to admit it. But if you don't want to answer them, or if you feel like your repeating yourself, then sorry to bother you.

Let's see...let me try another one out on you. Who would you go to if you want to submit your thoughts or findings on the matter, to have some kind of effect on the government, start some kind of an investigation? I mean like, have you gone to some kind investigation agency and said "look. the government is behind all this shit, and this is why..." ? Then I guess it would end up in court some how. Has anyone done this? Results? I hear so much theory and so much what seems to be proof...not much action though...so many people are saying the government is the bad peeps, since there is so much evidence, you think some organization would have stood up and said "we are going to take this to court and charge these assholes", you know? If the government is indeed behind this, and we are so sure of it, what are we going to DO about this? Just talk (and bitch)?? Please tell me.

Also, I have read so many debunking 911 myths, NIST articles, what I want to see now is more counters, I have seen websites dedicated to picking the Loose Change video part-by-part, saying why it is bullshit. What about part-by-part rebuttals saying what that website is bullshit and so on. Tiresome I know, but something may come of it. For instance, I often site from this website: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm

here is it's rebuttal

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/nist/WTC_FAQ_reply.html

Anyone know of any other links of rebuttals-to-rebuttals?

Thanks.

Oh Christ... I really hope I don't have to waste another week on this debate... Right now my focus is on campaigning for my candidate. This debate doesn't help me do that...

1) I don't believe the government launched the attacks, I believe they used them to push an agenda. I do however believe that a small group of people in high political power stood by and let the attack happen.

2) Loose change is bullshit... Roughly 80% of it is conspiracy nut job banter. A total attempt to discredit others.

3) I advocate a new investigation, thats it. NIST reports do not account for molten iron, fall times, or even offer a explanation for wtc7 collapse. Many people are accusing the government, because they are covering things up. Lots of evidence is still classified, which causes people to suspect them... Again my position is: We need a new totally transparent investigation.

Now you reply: "Well even if they did another investigation you won't like the results." to which I reply "All I want is a new investigation that tackles a lot of these 911 myths as well as the physicly impossible fall time of wtc7 and the intense heat required for such a event to happen. Then you reply: "The floors were only made to sustain a static load. Why wouldn't they fall like that while on fire?" to which I would reply "that would make sence if the internal columbs kept standing, but they fell faster than the building did. Hence the 'crimp' in the roof prefall."

Can you see why this gets us nowhere... I don't have time to go back and forth quoting people and pulling apart their logic each and every day. My 2 points have not been challanged propperly. Molten steel pre-collapse, and fall times. Look through the vast collection of data in this thread and you'll either agree or not. At this point though I don't care. I can't change your mind... Its never going to happen, as this isn't even a debate. It's more like a religious argument since no one changes their stance on the topic... EVER!!!

~Dingus Mungus

While I don't want to see the thread removed in the name of censorship, I disagree with a lot of the info contained in it. So to put it bluntly: Why would I want to spend all my time defending a thread, when our nation needs defending?

Mostly OT... But some people will get a kick out of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlQ2Dnmeeq0