Quote from: minnie on March 25, 2015, 08:09:55 AM
chemistry and physics are all about electrons so is anything we think
know at the moment of any value???

not too smart (obviously) are ya.



The CONCEPT of the principle OF the 'electron' is one thing.      Same can be said of "love"   "hate" etc.

the REIFICATION and QUANTIFICATION of same however is 100% BULLSHIT. 



EVERY ONE OF the greatest minds of Electrical and Field theory said::::


The principle of the Electron = Particle = 100% BULLSHIT

who said that??? ME?  (yes)..............EVERY ONE OF the greatest minds of Electrical and Field theory said THAT



a discharge is not a "negative charge" or "negative particle",   there is no such nonsense as a Negative charge 


You can argue a discharge is "real", obviously so, but not a "negative charge"   ROFL


As for the Electron = Particle.    There FAR FAR LESS THAN ZERO evidence for same.


repeat  "LESS THAN zero"


Nikola Tesla November 1928 interview:
On the whole subject of matter, in fact, Dr. Tesla holds views that are startlingly original. He disagrees with the accepted atomic theory of matter, and does not believe in the existence of an "electron" as pictured by science.
"To account for its apparently small mass, science conceives of the electron as a hollow sphere, a sort of bubble, such a bubble could exist in a medium as a gas or liquid because its internal pressure is not altered by deformation. But if, as supposed, the internal pressure of an electron is due to the repulsion of electric masses, the slightest conceivable deformation must result in the destruction of the bubble! Just to mention another improbability..." - Nikola Tesla
Article: "A Famous Prophet of Science Looks into the Future" (Popular Science Monthly)


"My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large entity carrying a surface charge and is not an elementary unit (particle). When the 'electron' leaves an electrode of high potential and in a high vacuum it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than normal." – N. Tesla



      "In the theoretical treatment of these electrons we are faced with the difficulty that electro-dynamic theory by itself is unable to give an account of their nature." "For since electrical masses constituting the electron would necessarily be scattered under the influence of their mutual repulsions, unless there are forces of another kind operating between them the nature of which has hitherto remained obscure to us." - Einstein on electrons; "Relativity", by Albert Einstein, Random House Publisher, 1916

     "To describe an electron as a negatively charged body is equivalent to saying that it is an expanding-contracting particle. There is no such condition in nature as a negative charge, nor are there negatively charged particles. Charge and discharge are opposite conditions, as filling and emptying, or compressing and expanding are opposite conditions." – W. Russell

     Thomson developed the "Ether Atom" ideas of M. Faraday into his "Electronic Corpuscle", this indivisible unit. One corpuscle terminates on one Faradic tube of force, and this quantifies as one Coulomb. This corpuscle is not and electron, it is a constituent of what today is known incorrectly as an "electron". (Thomson relates 1000 corpuscles per electron) In this view, that taken by W. Crookes, J.J. Thomson, and N. Tesla, the cathode ray is not electrons, but in actuality corpuscles of the Ether." – E. Dollard


     "There is no rest mass to an 'electron'. It is given here the 'electron' is no more than a broken loose "hold fast" under the grip of the tensions within the dielectric lines of force. They are the broken ends of the split in half package of spaghetti. Obviously this reasoning is not welcome in the realm of Einstein's Theory of Relativity." – E. Dollard

     "Unfortunately to a large extent in dealing with dielectric fields the prehistoric conception of the electro-static charge, the 'electron', on the conductor still exists, and by its use destroys the analogy between the two components of the electric field, the magnetic and dielectric. This makes the consideration of dielectric fields unnecessarily complicated" - C.P. Steinmetz (Electric Discharges, Waves and Impulses)


     The idea of electricity as a flow of 'electrons' in a conductor was regarded by Oliver Heaviside as "a psychosis". This encouraged Heaviside to begin a series of writings

    Also consider the J.J. Thomson concept of the "electron" (his own discovery). Thomson considered the electron the terminal end of one unit line of dielectric induction.


     "Electrons as a separate, distinct entity...doesn't really exist, they are merely bumps in something called a 'field'."  - Dr. Steve Biller




     You cannot say that stretching a trillion rubber bands nailed to the floor and releasing them or breaking their "force lines" is the "flow of electrons"; discharge is a terminal movement in systems of inductance or dielectric capacitance.  There are no discrete particles in the universe and certainly none that mediate charges, discharges, magnetism, electromagnetism, gravity, and radiation, only fields, all modalities of the Ether. The so-called 'electrons' are not particles, not objects or subjects but are the dynamic principle of discharge, and are certainly not charge-carriers, fields are not particles, are not "electrons", nor assuredly are there energy discharges in the vacuum of space involving 'electrons'; the 'electron' is a fiction of fallacious observation and an even more faulty mental acuity, spawned naturally from the minds of materialists, or an Atomist. Electricity is Ether in a state of dynamic polarization; magnetism is Ether in a state of dynamic circular polarization upon itself, is the radiative termination of electrical discharge; dielectricity is the Ether under stress or strain. The motions and strains of the Ether give rise to electrification. Phi times Psi gives Q; 'electrons' do not mediate these electrical and magnetic forces or their likewise the Ether fields.   

Anyone who thinks particles are flowing thru a wire has a mental DEFECT.






This Electron = Particle bullshit is nothing more than Greek ATOMISM.      The universe is NOT a giant sea of tiny pool balls rolling and banging and spinning.






"mother nature" IS NOT, WAS NOT, an INSANE CROSS-EYED CRACK WH0RE who created a COSMOS of infinite BB's rolling and banging and spinning
   

This nonsense idea WILL be destroyed in time as wisdom progresses.

I've discovered the vortex.  It's us, it's here on this thread.

You can shout and whine and stomp your feet until you turn blue, Kenny baby. That doesn't make any of your lies and misconceptions suddenly become true.

Fields are and have been defined scientifically and mathematically, contrary to your often restated lies. Fields are _quantitatively defined_, to boot, and can be calculated, predicted, manipulated and used to make real devices that work as the calculations predict. You are reading this comment on one such device right now.

It's comical that you pick and choose your quotations from your heroes so selectively. Remember that Tesla also believed he was listening to intelligent aliens signalling from Mars. And your citation of your hero drug addict Eric Dollard is truly hilarious. Don't forget what is required of any new theory: it must not only explain _quantitatively_ the phenomena that are quantitatively explained by the old theory, but it also must predict _new phenomena_ that are confirmed by experiment. Your plagiarisms from Russell and Dollard are just fantasies and hallucinations, not capable of really explaining anything, nor are they able to be used to design things that work, like cellphones, computers or FLIR cameras.

Your ego is so fragile and insecure that you can't even think coherently any more, and every footstomping, insulting and lying post you make proves it even more. But most people who are reading this thread can see right through you, since you are so transparent, and can see that there is nothing at all behind you. You're empty, full of nothing but nonsensical word salad that you didn't even come up with yourself, but mostly just recycled from your heroes Dollard and Russell.

Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2015, 01:45:21 AM


I just flapped my lips for about 10 mins and didnt say a single goddamn thing ON TOPIC or of VALUE in dispute, or refutation

Yes, thats what you did, i agree.


go trim your nails ,  Smeagol.

Quote from: TinselKoala on March 26, 2015, 01:45:21 AM
Your plagiarisms from Russell and Dollard are just fantasies and hallucinations, not capable of really explaining anything

Russell predicted the existence of 5 elements and several isotopes ...........BEFORE THEY WERE DISCOVERED

seems he not only explained things, but his theory LOGICALLY and CORRECTLY predicted the discovery of UNKNOWN ELEMENTS



So fuck you right in your fucking-fuck. 


Lets see you top that (ala Russell)



Tinfoil hat Koala-molesting knob-polisher 


Youre a disinformation agent and a mental midget (at best)