we will see what happens

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
By the way, if really planes would have flown into the towers,
why did they never show any engine parts in the rubbel
or any wing parts or anything left from the planes ?

This is good, he makes the point speculation is not going to help anyone.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8797525979024486145

This is from 2001

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
If really planes would have crashed into the towers
and the towers would have been just collapsed,
you would have found for sure some bigger parts of the plane
engines or other parts of the plane left in the rubbel...
but there was nothing found...

I have seen alot of theories, but this is new.  Are you saying no planes hit the WTC?  We do have clear live video showing the second plane hitting.  We have video from a distance showing the first plane hitting.  There are also reports from many traffic controllers documenting the planes going off course.  We have all the passengers and crew missing from those planes.  We have the missing planes themselves.  We have recordings of the hijackers speaking.  We have the airlines testifying that their planes went missing.  We have testimonies of people evacuating the buildings, saying they saw a plane approach the WTC and make an impact.  You have to admit this is pretty good evidence.  I understand that anything can be faked, but given the evidence, the burden is on the skeptic to show that ALL of the above were faked to perfection synchronization.

I know there is testimony that is consistent with the conspiracy view, but it does not negate contradictory testimony.  The scientific approach is to weigh both and see which has more merit.

I will also add this.  None of you conspiracy buffs were actually on any planes (or you would be dead, or wait, the planes did not exist, right?), and I highly doubt you were at any of the locations watching live.  So you do not personally know anything from first hand experience.  You get your knowledge from the Internet, which is fine, but it is puzzling to see the level of your conviction.  I will admit that there is evidence which supports your theory.  What I cannot figure out is why you guys discount all evidence that contradicts your theory.  The Internet has plenty of convincing stuff for both sides.  I guess what I am saying is I do not understand how you can be so so sure.  Are you just picking the side you like because you hate Bush?

If I am wrong, please correct me, but every alternative-9/11-theory proponent I have run into has been 100% convinced.  Is there any evidence that could surface that would sway your opinion?  I will tell you what will convince me - someone on the inside discussing the plot.  Get me that, and I will be all ears and will be very receptive.  I have a feeling the opposite is not the case.  Anything provided would be labeled fake and further evidence of the mass conspiracy, and be dismissed.

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
I merged now the two 911 topics and put user ring_theory
on read only, as he is trying to twist the facts over here.


I think it is very clear now, that no planes at all
have hit the towers but just black hawks or missiles...

I think it is very clear now, you are an idiot.
Please set my account to read only now also, or delete it altogether.

Quote from: shruggedatlas on September 11, 2007, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: hartiberlin on September 03, 2007, 03:34:12 PM
If really planes would have crashed into the towers
and the towers would have been just collapsed,
you would have found for sure some bigger parts of the plane
engines or other parts of the plane left in the rubbel...
but there was nothing found...

I have seen alot of theories, but this is new.  Are you saying no planes hit the WTC?  We do have clear live video showing the second plane hitting.  We have video from a distance showing the first plane hitting.  There are also reports from many traffic controllers documenting the planes going off course.  We have all the passengers and crew missing from those planes.  We have the missing planes themselves.  We have recordings of the hijackers speaking.  We have the airlines testifying that their planes went missing.  We have testimonies of people evacuating the buildings, saying they saw a plane approach the WTC and make an impact.  You have to admit this is pretty good evidence.  I understand that anything can be faked, but given the evidence, the burden is on the skeptic to show that ALL of the above were faked to perfection synchronization.

I know there is testimony that is consistent with the conspiracy view, but it does not negate contradictory testimony.  The scientific approach is to weigh both and see which has more merit.

I will also add this.  None of you conspiracy buffs were actually on any planes (or you would be dead, or wait, the planes did not exist, right?), and I highly doubt you were at any of the locations watching live.  So you do not personally know anything from first hand experience.  You get your knowledge from the Internet, which is fine, but it is puzzling to see the level of your conviction.  I will admit that there is evidence which supports your theory.  What I cannot figure out is why you guys discount all evidence that contradicts your theory.  The Internet has plenty of convincing stuff for both sides.  I guess what I am saying is I do not understand how you can be so so sure.  Are you just picking the side you like because you hate Bush?

If I am wrong, please correct me, but every alternative-9/11-theory proponent I have run into has been 100% convinced.  Is there any evidence that could surface that would sway your opinion?  I will tell you what will convince me - someone on the inside discussing the plot.  Get me that, and I will be all ears and will be very receptive.  I have a feeling the opposite is not the case.  Anything provided would be labeled fake and further evidence of the mass conspiracy, and be dismissed.

@shruggedatlas

why didn?t you watch the last videos posted over here ?
It is very clear now,
that almost all plane videos of 911 that were broadcasted are fakes.

Compare the colors of the planes in all 2nd hit videos.
All planes in the 2nd tower hit look different.

There is only one short video out there from a real amateur
showing in a few frames a global hawk or cruise
missile
impacting tower 2, but no commercial airplane.

Today you can overlay very precisely computer generated images
over live video.

Look at the error these video overlayers did, when they
did put an intact nose out in the CNN chopter video of the
2nd hit ! Incredible, how a CGI generated airplane nose
stays intact and is not crumbled due to an impact into the tower...

Do we see anywhere flying  a wheel away after the explosion ?
No. ( But it was found one on the street under mysterious conditions ..
just placed there by the guys having done all this..)


Were any engine parts or plane parts of the commercial
airliners being found in the WTC rubble ?
NO !

And @shruggedatlas
don?t even try to post again anything about WTC7, that it just collapsed
due to fire !
Steel does conduct heat, it would have only burned and
not detonated to dust in 8 seconds !
Please don?t try to spread this lie over here again.
I already deleted it.

Even L. Silverstein  admitted in a video interview,
that WTC7 was pulled ( detonated by demolition !)


Okay, now all calm down,
watch again the videos and
let us pray or at least think about the guys, that still
were in the towers, that were detonated today 6 years ago.

May they rest in peace.
My condolence to their families.

Regards, Stefan.