Quote from: marathonman on August 15, 2016, 02:06:12 PM
QUOTE;
"Fact

1.The patent was filed in 1908 ;the technology was primitive compared to what we have today
2.We have No idea whatsoever as to the exact coil configuration used as that was not expressly stated in the patent.
3. Part G was depicted a s a set of resistors
4.The jury is still out on whether the poles are attracting or in repulsion mode..this wasn't expressly stated either."

While granted it was a while ago somethings can't be replaced as in part "G". it will never self sustain with out it. NEVER !
fairly simple to deduce after trial and error, there is only so many ways to wind a coil especially of the time frame.
it even says it was drawn in an elementary way to get the understanding across, do you seriously think he would waste power unnecessarily like that. do you not have the ability to see past a simple drawing that says it is just a drawing, well em, i guess not.
the jury is not out, six plus people says the polarity is NN including one that has a working device. not to mention my demo device with 100 watts in and 300 watts out all at NN set up.
most of the speculation on N/S on this device was backed by no or little research and the ones that did do research got little to nothing out because of the opposing induced.

completely irrational statements backed by irrational thinking with no research what so ever leads one to no where very fast and does nothing but distract the real purpose of this tread and it's followers.

and i'll be darn if i am going to stand around while some unintelligent lemming  from the pic below runs his mouth at every thing i post about the Figuera device that can be verified by any real semi intelligent researcher. i have over three years and mega thousands of hours of research in each piece of the Figuera device and have read every patent no less than 50 times each reading between the lines.

you, my friend,  are sadly mistaken if you think i don't know what time it is with the Figuera device.

you people aren't  even in the same ball park as me.

ps. GEGENE! is not even close to the Figuera device. no resemblance what so ever.
and not a single cuss word from my sailor mouth, yah ! ex military.

Oh Mr Marathonman, you can keep falsly egging yourself on. But I will keep on challenging you to show us what you claimed to have practically built.

Cameras are fucking cheap.  So  whybdo you keep parabolating?

There people of papers on here who are satisfied with your drawings. I an hardened self-made builder and others like
me  are MORE THAN THAT. We are not Zombies like your people.

You  brought up first then you must defend it first but never younwill do that as all you enjoy.doing is insulting like you did at me when I made my first post on this thread.

Even though I do not agree with his Ideas, the young man Hanon is endlessly More Mature than you a grandpa.
It is not about age, it is about deep thinking that foster sound Mind Maturity but do not have it.

May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

Regards,

Ramaswami
 

Quote from: NRamaswami on August 16, 2016, 02:51:57 AM
May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

Regards,

Ramaswami

No Ramaswami, you are not Ignorant. They can keep themselves in there imbalance state like there Part-G a.k.a High and Low.

Attached is the circuit you need to merge the output power from the secondaries of the new device you made.

I will P.M you with further details to make the circuit work better.


More blessing.

Quote from: NRamaswami on August 16, 2016, 02:51:57 AM
May I request all who differentiatea between a Generator and a Transformer to explain what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer? I have never ever hidden the fact that I'm not trained in Electricity and Magnetism. Apart from doing a lot of experiments and varying the parameters I cannot claim any formal technical knowledge in Electricity and Magnetism. As far as my very limited knowledge and understanding goes a Transformer does the job of stepping up or stepping down the voltage. When the voltage is stpped up the current is reduced and when the voltage is stepped down the current is increased. Transformers of this kind are used in many devices and also used for Electrical transmission. In a Transformer the output is always less than the input. Or a Transformer is always COP<1.

Generators on the other hand produce Electricity using the principle of Electromagnetic induction.

As I see it the Figuera device and all other devices whether they rotate the magnetic core or do not do only one thing. They create a time varying magnetic field. A conductor subjected to this time varying magnetic field gets induced Electricity. When we rotate a core as Figuera observed the magnetic drag applies and so we need to provide far higher mechnical energy than the output Electricity. But if we do not rotate the core but rotate only the magnetic field in the core we need to give only a small amount of electrical energy.

Regarding the statement that the magnets in Figuera device can be permanent magnets yes that is very true from my observations and from a theory.

I do not know if this is true or not. But Patrick has taught me that if the magnetic field does not collapse to Zero Lenz law effect would not come in to play and so if we use a circuit with full Wave Diode Bridge and make the output wave +5 to +5 at the bottom and the wave is made in to a full positive sign wave never reaching zero Lenz law would not apply but the magnetic field will be oscillated and electricity would be induced in the conductor. I had the circuit built but the output was only in milliamps and Patrick for safety reasons has limited the voltage to 40 volts. The circuit repeatedly broke down. Even when it worked there was no magnetism in the coils for at 40 volts and milliamps it is not even one watt of input and you do not expect to generate output with that. The circuit can work if the core is permanent magnet of high strength and if the voltage is high. What I have been taught is that Lenz law can come only if the magnetic field collapses to zero to reach no magnetic field condition but if the magnetic field does not collapse to zero and some magnetizm is always present no Lenz law effects can manifest. But again I do not know if this is accurate.

One thing that strikes in the Figuera circuit and BuForn circuit is that the Primaries always go to the Earth. Only if the Voltage is high there is a need to connect to the Earth. If the core was a Permanent Magnet core electricity need not be spent to generate magnetism in the primary coils. I can very assertively say that higher the voltage in the primary higher the voltage in the secondary. This I have observed from direct experimentations.

Patrick wanted me to build the Cater Hubbard device first but it did not work. I have now made it to work.

Since the Hubbard device did not work we tried with Figuera device. Single module only and it was COP<1. We tried to do the multiple modules as shown in the 1908 patent and were disappointed that the results mentioned do not manifest and voltage did not merge. So we built a large core and tried again and it was COP<1 and so I put the secondaries under the primaries as well and tested and in one experiment the secondary voltages merged and the output was COP>8. Because the output was 620 volts or so I directed my staff to disassemble it as they used to experiment carelessly. We have subsequently built many devices and found that we need to cross a particular Voltage in the output coil for the secondary to cross the COP>1 and then it suddenly zooms. If we use permanent magnet core and use high voltage electricity as input to oscillate the permanent magnet core high frequency is not needed and output can be high.

There are many here who do not conduct experiments and post only theory. I do not find fault with them. The labour costs are very high in Western countries and it is not easy to build large cores and experiment. We have wound all coils manually and we have used lot of soft iron.
About 75 kgms of iron, or about 15% of iron bought by me for these experiments have become very mild permanent magnets. This magnetism is destroyed only if we heat the rod.

Now let me know how a motionless device that does not move core but rotates the magnetic field but provides much higher output than input can be called a Transformer and not Generator. Let me also know if the Figuera device acted in violation of the principles of Electromagnetic induction.

Actually these devices are very simple to construct. They are large and need to be built manually and are costly but the principles are very simple. You do not need high frequency but a high voltage input would suffice. High Voltage when combined with permanent magnets always produce COP>1 for high voltage low amperage input is sufficient. Secondary can be thick wire and it would produce both high voltage and high amperage. The permanent magnets need to be large. There is nothing more.

High Frequency is not problem if proper materials are used and I had been taught by a competent person that if we use high votlage and high frequency and ferrite core the size of the devices can be brought down easily.

The French Patent that shows the device to be placed inside a refrigerator is very intelligent. Commonsense approach to keep the cores cool. I do not think many modules are needed and a single module would do.

In my experiments the best one is Ramaswami device and then the Hubbard Configuration and then the Figuera configuration.

I have not attempted to build a self runner for Patrick has warned me that it can result in runaway currents and may even bring in lightening for the self sustaining device is said to bring in extra energy from the environment and can attract lightning and prefer living beings than iron to strike. Is this true or not I do not know but why take a risk when I'm not competent? So I have avoided doing that.

Let me know what is the difference between a Generator and a Transformer now..While some people claim they have a working Figuera device and 100 watts input and 300 watts output but would not show it at least there should not be any difficulty in explaining what is the difference between a Transformer and a Generator so at least the confusing language is avoided or understood and an ignorant person like me can learn something.

Regards,

Ramaswami

When you subject a coil of wire to a Zero Frequency induction, what output will you get? Zero

Before a generator can produce output power then the coils in it must be constantly energised by constant movent of magnetic field which is mostly from Permanent Magnet.

Transformers works because the magnetic induction from there primaries as FREQUENCY or in other words, they oscillate to and fro.

So you can replace Permanent magnet with electromagnet and generate power. Every Transformer have Electromagnet as it Primary to induce the secondary winding or Coil much like what is happening in device called POWER GENERATORS.

However, in true sense, A Transformer (Mostly Motionless) is a Generator while Generator (Most times Motional) is a Transformer as the Speed of the Rotor, Amount of Turns of Coil, The Gauge of Wire and Strength of Permanent Magnet determines it total output power.

So in trafo, you induced via electromagnet in gen, you induce via permanent magnet. You calculate turns of wire in both to get your needed output Wattage.

In Trafo, the Electromagnet is the Primary in Gen, The Permanent Magnet is the Primary. The only difference is The former uses Iron to convey induction with ease while the later uses Air to Convey induction with ease.

So Marathonman, what are Trying to Twist?/You ain't even doing da Twist Smartly.

A Trafo is a Generator vice-versa.

The additionally needed word is Lenzless Transformer or Lenzless Generator. And you cannot achieve that with any style of induction.

YOU CAN ONLY ACHIEVE LENZLESS OUTPUT POWER WITH COIL WINDING DIRECTION AND PROPER CONNECTION. SO IT IS ABOUT THE WIRE NOT THE INDUCTION.