Talk is cheap! Too cheap.

Those who believe in cold electricity, please post a simple circuit that cools down and does so without heating any other part of the circuit. Oh I forgot, please make it first and prove it to yourself before posting, as you can't expect others to do your research.  It must not involve any chemicals as some reactions are endothermic, only electrical circuits please.

Quote from: Neo-X on May 11, 2014, 05:11:27 AM
Can someone explain why the spark gap is in series with LC?

Your right It wont work like that!

Hello,
I know it has been a very long time since you posted this reply to Skysabre,
However, the formulas you are interpreting for the resistors in Don Smith's circuit do not apply for the output power that is generated with his device.

First and foremost, it is confusing to think that it would be possible to run any voltage divider with the kind of voltage and amperage that the system is supposed to create, but I could put it into perspective for you if you give me a chance.

Have you ever played around with the Tesla Hairpin Circuit? Have you noticed the shorted bar across the hairpin and notice how the load still operates with the circuit? This is the reason why the Don Smith generators all would work,  like Tesla's hairpin circuit because of the energy output received by it's circuitry. Cold Electricity is an energy in a class of it's own. This IS what the output consists of and the reason why it couldn't be conventional or static electricity is because it doesn't behave like either one.

The power is NOT amperage driven,. it is not reactive energy and it is not based upon the basic watt's or ohm's law because the circuit's conversion through high frequency, a spark gap and it's hv doorknob capacitors creates the energy by conversion, and, if we have a high frequency pulsed energy that is already cold electricity, or radiant energy whatever you will call it, the energy is able to be converted back to conventional energy in a manner similar to how it is created.

The fascinating part of it is that it can be transformed, but only with resonance and a loosley coupled set of coils, then, to get it stepped up, the high frequency energy could be amplified by utilizing a split coil which is rectified and summed/added together. If equally separated and split down the middle, the coils will share equal amounts of voltage and amperage, once converted from HF cold electricity back to conventional energy. These conversions can happen in a couple of ways. First, the easiest method is to ensure you have resonance using the high voltage self healing capacitor to create massive pulses of energy. These pulses allow for the charge pump action that trades off it's low input for the amplification/multiplication of not only voltage, but amperage as well.

Once this energy is pumped up in this method, there are two options to force the output of the step up process to convert it yet again, while stepping it down. The first step up uses the spaark gap in series to utilize as little energy as possible in stepping up and amplifying it's energy. This is done by drawing in the amperage by means of  both inductively and capacitively attracting ions while the voltage becomes high enough to be influential "ionically" and can only be done while remaining in resonance. Locking in resonance with a phase lock loop and using a flyback coil to monitor it's output via the other side of the spark gap can be tricky but is none the less the best and most accurate way to control it, which. since Don's publicly posted circuits do not contain the phase lock loop and the flyback monitor circuit, there is no way to control it so it remains active without variations that could easily knock the circuit out of reonance.

Once this happens, we need to step the energy back down, but to remain attractive to the bombarding of the necvessary ions for it's amplification/multiplication, there needs to be a spark gap either in parallel to force amperage to discharge so the L3 coil is fired in a forceful manner so the energy could be stepped back down to a controllable level, and it needs to be in resonance, which can be done simply by creating a 4 to 1 length in windings instead of splitting the coil again, because this time if we cut the coil , the energy will go back to where it came from and not have more energy via multiplication, because it would now divide it due to the coil configuration, if split and center tapped again.

So now we have the stepped down level which could be any voltage we need, however, we need to have enough voltage to charge and dam up the energy into very large capacitors. We could do this by sending it into ac oil filled capacitors at high voltages which converts the energy from cold electricity back to conventional energy , then by building an RF inverter, we could easily create a 60 hz cycle that will easily transform via capacitive pulses that are at such a high power output that the system will drive very large transformers high voltage coils with ease, reducing the voltage and boosting the amperage, giving us all of the massive amounts of power we need, using minimal power to do so, or even having the ability to use minimal battery power that is chargeable with it's output without breaking the dipole, allowing the output to function flawlessly while the input is still operational without any reduction whatsoever.

This could be performed by leaving the power stepped up and dumping it into large caps, but this way is the way shown online with the Barker & Williamson coil that is cut, using the red primary coils of amp king wire, and it is not easily manageable, and difficult to build and get functioning. It is also deadly because of the levels of energy left over in the caps. One discharge of these caps are capable of blasting a 1/4" thick screwdriver in half if the energy is generated and stored correctly. This power is enough to blow a limb off of a body , just like a high voltage power line, provided it is in a sinewave like high voltage power lines are.  If the energy is amplified, then converted to conventional energy within a capacitor , the power would remain a powerful dc voltage that is instantaneously replaced as a load is added to it.. This means that the discharge would happen, killing us or hurting us badly, then, once we were disconnected from the circuit, in less than 1/30,000th of a second, the energy would be replaced to a full charge and is able to supply the load without the ability to deplete it's output. If we try to connect loads to the caps, the massive high powered dc voltage stored in them will blow apart any device in their path unless they are oscillated and fed into a  transformer coil that could handle the voltage and frequency that the energy is oscillated at.

So, we need to change the output so it is functional and this could be done in a couple of ways, one way was already explained, which is inverted to drive a transformer at 8000 volts of input at 1.25 amps minimum, which would equal an output of 10,000 watts . This could be done with RF transistors to create a 60 cycle inversion at 8000 volts and the power could easily drive a single phase pole top utility transformer (7970v to 240/120) then it would be capable of running a home in it's entirety, but, a solution would need to be made to ensure the spark gap would not degrade, and the NST would remain operational continuously for many years.

The second method is to fire the energy into high voltage rectifiers after the circuit is stepped down a second time, utilizing an arc gap in parallel between the L1 to L2 and the L3 to L4 step down using single coils for both L3 & L4. On the secondary side, we would rectify the output, then split the hf dc voltage with a voltage divider, using some form of resistor, and I did find that normal resistors, or wire wound resistors work just fine for this task. Cold electricity literally is fed into the resistors and with this type of division does not release heat, but, with conventional energy they would release heat and burn to a crisp... With cold electricity, they become colder.

This works in the opposite manner than ohm's law's functions for conventional energy and this is the point I am getting at that show the irrelevance of your formulas from the reply to Skywalker. If we fed a 100 watt light bulb with this energy, we'd get less light than if we used a 40 watt bulb.. In school, all of the teaching of Ohms' law tells us this can't work, they tell us science doesn't accept this, and it is only due to the fact that science has been suppressed from this technology for 135 years. We have been brainwashed into believing this crap,. and it is not right, nor is it fair since the brightest mind in all of the history of electrical energy transmission, distribution & generation was 100% correct and was exactly correct with ALL of his formulas, his circuit explanations, because he has literally replicated all of his visions which were written as notes in many books.

So, Cold electricity can be split with a voltage divider without the worry of burning the resistor whatsoever. Why it does this is because it isn't an amperage forced energy until converted within a capacitor, and it runs along the outside of a conductor like high voltage energy does, but at high frequencies, however it is an inverted type of energy that is coupled in resonance, based upon gathering it's amplified force through inductive and capacitive reactance only if it remains in resonance without jumping in and out or varying itself frequenctly. The output's capabilities are advantageous only if the energy can be controlled because we could set the voltage level rather easily and inexpensively by using cheap resistors of any wattage value , but it seems impossible by looking at how it is wired.. Once this is completed and the voltage is in a way we could use it, we could then take advantage of it because we could feed and very easily charge massive super capacitors with the output of the resistors. The resistors release very high levels of cold electricity at very high frequencies. These frequencies allow this energy to be stored at much faster speeds ,  then once it is stored into the capacitors, the energy is converted to conventional energy at very quick charge intervals while the energy used is a very small window of frequency, allowing the rest of the output not to be affected or vary since the energy output at 0-59 hz is not used, and 61 to 35,000 hz isn't used. , this will remain in the caps, allowing the system to top off the caps in less time than we could use the energy. The inverter could easily  leave so much energy in the system and not limit the output capacity while the capacitors are able to provide approximately 1000 watts per farad of storage.

It is highly recommended to utilize 24 volt or 48 volt super capacitor banks for storage, then the inversion process would follow to draw this conventional DC power from the capacitors with massive 48v pure sinewave inverters capable of 120 or 240v outputs at well over 3000 Farads and only use 1/4 the size of the conductors needed within a 12v dc system. 12 V Dc systems are awful, the wiring needs to be huge, they are inefficient , and the batteries used need to have huge amperage capabilities.

This would equal an output of 3 megawatts. If they make inverters this large, I'd be quite confident they would be extremely expensive, however well worth the cost. The inversion process from the capacitors is way more efficient than battery powered inversion because caps have nearly no loss in comparison with batteries when it comes to high frequency charging , including the speed of the storage needed which is provided by radiant or cold electricity.

The advantageous end of this circuit is that the line side of the inverters at 48v would be much less expensive for amperage handling since the input side could be easily fed with copper bus and is limited in amperage compared to 12 v systems, this is why I highly recommend them to be designed this way.

Quote from: gyulasun on April 29, 2014, 03:32:38 PM
Hi Skysabre,

I went through the pdf file you altruistically uploaded.  I am strongly "amazed" by seeing the wiring diagram shown in pdf Page 27: they use voltage divider resistors to match the alleged 8kV output voltage (stored in the 2uF capacitor) to the input of an off-the-shelf 12V or 24V DC to 110V AC power inverter. Using resistors for dividing voltages makes sense when reasonably small currents are involved because of the unavoidable heat loss in the resistors.

Let's do some simple calculations backwards,  let's choose a power inverter which is able to output just 2kW at 110V AC, ok? Then let's have its own efficiency, say, 90%, so the input DC power to it should be 1.1 x 2kW=2.2kW i.e. 10% higher.

Now if this inverter receives 24V DC input (let's say), then the input DC current demand is about I=2.2kW/24V=91.6A.

Now lets calculate the resistor values for dividing the 8kV DC to 24V. Here is a link I used, it also calculates the power loss in the two resistors:  http://www.bowdenshobbycircuits.info/r2.htm 

Using the example described in the text for finding the series resistance needed for a LED as a sample, I entered for battery voltage 8000, for current 91.6 and for Vout 24, I got 87 Ohm for R1 (and R2 would be represented by the 24V input of the inverter) but with this value the dissipated power in R1 would amount to 730.6kW....  the idea to use resistors to drop the 8000V to 24V is ABSURD, INSANE to say the least. And there is no any other suggestion to reduce the 8kV (or whatever kV coming from the LC tank via the diodes to the 2uF storage capacitor) to 24V or 12V.

The other thing is that while it may be possible to store a few kW power in a resonant LC tank circuit (it would need a coil and a capacitor with extremely low loss i.e. very high Q) but when directly loading such high Q resonant circuit, the circulating power in it would get reduced just because the external load reduces the high Q (the resonant AC impedance of such a high Q LC tank may range from several ten to several hundred kOhm and shunting it say with the 87 Ohm resistor via the inverter input, the high AC impedance gets killed, so the kV voltage reduces accordingly, there is no 'juice' left in the tank to feed the inverter. AND there is no any high wattage resistor shown in the pictures, which would imply they really used them to reduce the kV output...

Now no wonder why this pdf file contains NO any measurement results done by those 'compiling' it. It is a "pathwork", a "botch", taken text and pictures from some sources, and sorry to say I consider it as a hoax.
At other forums and also here, several members attempted to replicate Don Smith setups but nobody succeeded so far (or did not report, that is) and even Don Smith never showed any working device, only talked about the kW output and showed the assembled boards with those components like in the pictures in the pdf file.

Regardless of Don Smith or from this pdf file, the problem to be solved would be to find a circuit topology which does not reduce an LC tank resonant impedance too much and dissipates only a reasonable amount of power while dividing the kVs to a lower more workable value.  This would be challange circuit to design and build for sure, still strongly assuming that the input power to the LC tank could be kept at a lower value than that of the output power received from THE circuit.

Gyula

Quote from: dezeinstein on November 27, 2016, 01:43:16 AM
Hello,
I know it has been a very long time since you posted this reply to Skysabre,
However, the formulas you are interpreting for the resistors in Don Smith's circuit do not apply for the output power that is generated with his device.

First and foremost, it is confusing to think that it would be possible to run any voltage divider with the kind of voltage and amperage that the system is supposed to create, but I could put it into perspective for you if you give me a chance.

Have you ever played around with the Tesla Hairpin Circuit? Have you noticed the shorted bar across the hairpin and notice how the load still operates with the circuit? This is the reason why the Don Smith generators all would work,  like Tesla's hairpin circuit because of the energy output received by it's circuitry. Cold Electricity is an energy in a class of it's own. This IS what the output consists of and the reason why it couldn't be conventional or static electricity is because it doesn't behave like either one.

The power is NOT amperage driven,. it is not reactive energy and it is not based upon the basic watt's or ohm's law because the circuit's conversion through high frequency, a spark gap and it's hv doorknob capacitors creates the energy by conversion, and, if we have a high frequency pulsed energy that is already cold electricity, or radiant energy whatever you will call it, the energy is able to be converted back to conventional energy in a manner similar to how it is created.

The fascinating part of it is that it can be transformed, but only with resonance and a loosley coupled set of coils, then, to get it stepped up, the high frequency energy could be amplified by utilizing a split coil which is rectified and summed/added together. If equally separated and split down the middle, the coils will share equal amounts of voltage and amperage, once converted from HF cold electricity back to conventional energy. These conversions can happen in a couple of ways. First, the easiest method is to ensure you have resonance using the high voltage self healing capacitor to create massive pulses of energy. These pulses allow for the charge pump action that trades off it's low input for the amplification/multiplication of not only voltage, but amperage as well.

Once this energy is pumped up in this method, there are two options to force the output of the step up process to convert it yet again, while stepping it down. The first step up uses the spaark gap in series to utilize as little energy as possible in stepping up and amplifying it's energy. This is done by drawing in the amperage by means of  both inductively and capacitively attracting ions while the voltage becomes high enough to be influential "ionically" and can only be done while remaining in resonance. Locking in resonance with a phase lock loop and using a flyback coil to monitor it's output via the other side of the spark gap can be tricky but is none the less the best and most accurate way to control it, which. since Don's publicly posted circuits do not contain the phase lock loop and the flyback monitor circuit, there is no way to control it so it remains active without variations that could easily knock the circuit out of reonance.

Once this happens, we need to step the energy back down, but to remain attractive to the bombarding of the necvessary ions for it's amplification/multiplication, there needs to be a spark gap either in parallel to force amperage to discharge so the L3 coil is fired in a forceful manner so the energy could be stepped back down to a controllable level, and it needs to be in resonance, which can be done simply by creating a 4 to 1 length in windings instead of splitting the coil again, because this time if we cut the coil , the energy will go back to where it came from and not have more energy via multiplication, because it would now divide it due to the coil configuration, if split and center tapped again.

So now we have the stepped down level which could be any voltage we need, however, we need to have enough voltage to charge and dam up the energy into very large capacitors. We could do this by sending it into ac oil filled capacitors at high voltages which converts the energy from cold electricity back to conventional energy , then by building an RF inverter, we could easily create a 60 hz cycle that will easily transform via capacitive pulses that are at such a high power output that the system will drive very large transformers high voltage coils with ease, reducing the voltage and boosting the amperage, giving us all of the massive amounts of power we need, using minimal power to do so, or even having the ability to use minimal battery power that is chargeable with it's output without breaking the dipole, allowing the output to function flawlessly while the input is still operational without any reduction whatsoever.

This could be performed by leaving the power stepped up and dumping it into large caps, but this way is the way shown online with the Barker & Williamson coil that is cut, using the red primary coils of amp king wire, and it is not easily manageable, and difficult to build and get functioning. It is also deadly because of the levels of energy left over in the caps. One discharge of these caps are capable of blasting a 1/4" thick screwdriver in half if the energy is generated and stored correctly. This power is enough to blow a limb off of a body , just like a high voltage power line, provided it is in a sinewave like high voltage power lines are.  If the energy is amplified, then converted to conventional energy within a capacitor , the power would remain a powerful dc voltage that is instantaneously replaced as a load is added to it.. This means that the discharge would happen, killing us or hurting us badly, then, once we were disconnected from the circuit, in less than 1/30,000th of a second, the energy would be replaced to a full charge and is able to supply the load without the ability to deplete it's output. If we try to connect loads to the caps, the massive high powered dc voltage stored in them will blow apart any device in their path unless they are oscillated and fed into a  transformer coil that could handle the voltage and frequency that the energy is oscillated at.

So, we need to change the output so it is functional and this could be done in a couple of ways, one way was already explained, which is inverted to drive a transformer at 8000 volts of input at 1.25 amps minimum, which would equal an output of 10,000 watts . This could be done with RF transistors to create a 60 cycle inversion at 8000 volts and the power could easily drive a single phase pole top utility transformer (7970v to 240/120) then it would be capable of running a home in it's entirety, but, a solution would need to be made to ensure the spark gap would not degrade, and the NST would remain operational continuously for many years.

The second method is to fire the energy into high voltage rectifiers after the circuit is stepped down a second time, utilizing an arc gap in parallel between the L1 to L2 and the L3 to L4 step down using single coils for both L3 & L4. On the secondary side, we would rectify the output, then split the hf dc voltage with a voltage divider, using some form of resistor, and I did find that normal resistors, or wire wound resistors work just fine for this task. Cold electricity literally is fed into the resistors and with this type of division does not release heat, but, with conventional energy they would release heat and burn to a crisp... With cold electricity, they become colder.

This works in the opposite manner than ohm's law's functions for conventional energy and this is the point I am getting at that show the irrelevance of your formulas from the reply to Skywalker. If we fed a 100 watt light bulb with this energy, we'd get less light than if we used a 40 watt bulb.. In school, all of the teaching of Ohms' law tells us this can't work, they tell us science doesn't accept this, and it is only due to the fact that science has been suppressed from this technology for 135 years. We have been brainwashed into believing this crap,. and it is not right, nor is it fair since the brightest mind in all of the history of electrical energy transmission, distribution & generation was 100% correct and was exactly correct with ALL of his formulas, his circuit explanations, because he has literally replicated all of his visions which were written as notes in many books.

So, Cold electricity can be split with a voltage divider without the worry of burning the resistor whatsoever. Why it does this is because it isn't an amperage forced energy until converted within a capacitor, and it runs along the outside of a conductor like high voltage energy does, but at high frequencies, however it is an inverted type of energy that is coupled in resonance, based upon gathering it's amplified force through inductive and capacitive reactance only if it remains in resonance without jumping in and out or varying itself frequenctly. The output's capabilities are advantageous only if the energy can be controlled because we could set the voltage level rather easily and inexpensively by using cheap resistors of any wattage value , but it seems impossible by looking at how it is wired.. Once this is completed and the voltage is in a way we could use it, we could then take advantage of it because we could feed and very easily charge massive super capacitors with the output of the resistors. The resistors release very high levels of cold electricity at very high frequencies. These frequencies allow this energy to be stored at much faster speeds ,  then once it is stored into the capacitors, the energy is converted to conventional energy at very quick charge intervals while the energy used is a very small window of frequency, allowing the rest of the output not to be affected or vary since the energy output at 0-59 hz is not used, and 61 to 35,000 hz isn't used. , this will remain in the caps, allowing the system to top off the caps in less time than we could use the energy. The inverter could easily  leave so much energy in the system and not limit the output capacity while the capacitors are able to provide approximately 1000 watts per farad of storage.

It is highly recommended to utilize 24 volt or 48 volt super capacitor banks for storage, then the inversion process would follow to draw this conventional DC power from the capacitors with massive 48v pure sinewave inverters capable of 120 or 240v outputs at well over 3000 Farads and only use 1/4 the size of the conductors needed within a 12v dc system. 12 V Dc systems are awful, the wiring needs to be huge, they are inefficient , and the batteries used need to have huge amperage capabilities.

This would equal an output of 3 megawatts. If they make inverters this large, I'd be quite confident they would be extremely expensive, however well worth the cost. The inversion process from the capacitors is way more efficient than battery powered inversion because caps have nearly no loss in comparison with batteries when it comes to high frequency charging , including the speed of the storage needed which is provided by radiant or cold electricity.

The advantageous end of this circuit is that the line side of the inverters at 48v would be much less expensive for amperage handling since the input side could be easily fed with copper bus and is limited in amperage compared to 12 v systems, this is why I highly recommend them to be designed this way.

I don't supose you have a short version ?

Quote from: gyulasun on April 30, 2014, 01:02:06 PM
Hi Skysabre,

Well, it is not easy to answer your question...  I think if you take a thorough look and reading at this link below, especially member 'erfinder'  posts and videos, then possibly you would be on a good track:
http://www.energyscienceforum.com/showthread.php?t=1611 

The thread started with a question on Bedini DVD Nr 25 but No need to buy the DVD as you later realize because the topic turns to a pulse motor-like setup as erfinder shows. It does need a hands on building and experience, maybe not the best for the not so experienced but I believe the progress for anyone is given and open.  Just read it all  over and decide,  unfortunately the uploaded pictures can only be seen when you become a member there and log in.  (notice that erfinder does not claim anything)

Unfortunately, I am not aware of ANY thread where a real device, capable of giving extra output over the input is shown with real measurements.  Speculations, fakes, hoaxes rule... or greedyness to share. 

There was the Bedini Ferris Wheel demo at their conference some years ago, see here http://www.energeticforum.com/john-bedini/6786-bedini-ferris-wheel-regauging-motor.html   but I do not know that those who rebuilt it whether got extra output or not. 

I would also suggest to study Ben's motor here http://www.overunity.com/14377/the-thomas-motor/msg391150/#msg391150
it may give good results (the possibilities are inherent in that setup I think) and Ben is still working on it.

Good luck,
Gyula

The Energetic Forum, to be honest it's a waste of time, for a start it refuses to grant access to all publications, even if your a member and if you are it expects you to be a certain grade be for it does, so forget it !!

Re the sparg gap, it's this section I find hard to understand >>>>>> read BELOW !

hi,
I am also working on the Don smith device at the same time with the 3volt ou circuit.

My recent findings base on Don smith replication done in China and one of the Don smith video revealed that it is configured for RF and not the typical induction heater coil which many was lead to believe.

Recently i obtained the fast recovery diodes 1200v 26ns 6Amps TO-220 - "HFA06TB120" which is connected 6 in series to form hv diode.For experiment purpose i merely got 12 diodes.

I am able to see spark appear within the spark gap.I am using 12volts to 220volts inverter for safety reasons to power the 10KV 30ma 30khz NST at 18watt battery power drawn.The NST tuned at around 4kv(Variable version on NST)
I would need to get more diodes for the secondary coils.At least 24 diodes is needed in total.I think 10 in series to form the HV diode is the best so total should be 40 diodes.

NO !

All I have is a home made coil 4 800v UFast diodes BY339, 4 capacitors for timing resonance and 2 fets and some stearing components in the inverter curcuit (manilli) I get a huge fat hot spark acelerant.