Quote from: pomodoro on December 09, 2016, 06:30:46 PM

Interesting, where exactly can I find the scientific article for this special state of water?

On the existence of two states in liquid water: Impact on biological and nanoscopic systems

Gravock

Quote from: gravityblock on December 10, 2016, 04:04:07 AM

On the existence of two states in liquid water: Impact on biological and nanoscopic systems

Gravock

Awesome!

Edit,

Ok had a good read snd its  quite interesting. To me  it seems that the changes are rather miniscule and thats why it took so long to come to the conclusion of the two states.

Unfortunately I can guarantee you that for normal electrolysis it would make no difference, as any such changes are already incorporated in the thermodynamic formula by virtue of the entropy (S) factor which has been measured for water at various temperatures already.  S does change with temp but by very little.

For other methods, well in theory the first law of thermodynamics still holds, and it should take the same energy, but cross your fingers and  lets see what magic Brad can do for us ...

One thing you will find is the dielectric constant changes wildly with temperature. From my experiments the colder the water the better it works for Voltrolysis. I have noticed big time the hotter the water the lower the voltage will be being applied to the water bath. Now to be fair I have been at this a lot longer than most and as a result I have noticed things about this technology most people have not.

Ok,so after a couple of busy weeks,i mannaged to get into the workshop today,and complete the test bed.
Also have a base line of performance for the cell,using a steady and pulsed DC current,at low voltages.

No difference in output or MMW was noted using either pulsed or straight/continuous current at 50Hz
Voltage and current was measured by both DMMs and scope.
Some test result examples.
Remember,the voltage is across the cell,and not each neutral plate set.

14.45v @ 3.1amps= MMW of 5.58
15.4v @ 5.84amps= MMW of 5.38
15.6v @ 7.1amps= MMW of 5.24

Gas temperature remains at 26*C for all tests.

Interesting to note that the efficiency drops as the current value rises.

Video up within the next few days,as still have a bit of tidying up to do.


Brad

Quote from: tinman on December 10, 2016, 11:22:51 PM
Ok,so after a couple of busy weeks,i mannaged to get into the workshop today,and complete the test bed.
Also have a base line of performance for the cell,using a steady and pulsed DC current,at low voltages.

No difference in output or MMW was noted using either pulsed or straight/continuous current at 50Hz
Voltage and current was measured by both DMMs and scope.
Some test result examples.
Remember,the voltage is across the cell,and not each neutral plate set.

14.45v @ 3.1amps= MMW of 5.58
15.4v @ 5.84amps= MMW of 5.38
15.6v @ 7.1amps= MMW of 5.24

Gas temperature remains at 26*C for all tests.

Interesting to note that the efficiency drops as the current value rises.

Video up within the next few days,as still have a bit of tidying up to do.


Brad

Nice setup Brad. Great to see you are using the oscilloscope for V and I measurements.  How many individual cells are there?