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Overunity Machines Forum



Magnets, motion and measurement

Started by Floor, October 31, 2016, 09:11:43 PM

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citfta

Sorry but it is not a working magnetic motor.  It has been investigated and it was found the electrical controlling system was contributing power into keep the machine running.

lancaIV

"it has been investigated ":

What has been investigated  ?

" Magnetic force input / Magnetic force output " ratio. !?

"Magnetic force input + electromagnetic force input / Magnetic force output ". ratio.  !?

electro- magnetic controler :  " pure" DC, pulsed DC,AC ? Measurment method.  ?

electro-magnetic controler with-/ out. feedback circuit.  ?


When we see this JLN LAB demonstration as " repeatable fact" the " balance gain" by linear experiment. :

Using for " linear track"  (espacenet archiv William Putt )

or how "translate : " translatory." as one from the 3 physics freedom states " to rotatory :360° forward or backward movement. ?


http://jnaudin.online.fr/html/2magpup.htm

included Naudins link how probably with success to use this " repeatable fact". :
http://jnaudin.online.fr/html/mppprop.htm

ayeaye

Ok, then needs to be investigated, before taken seriously. This thread is also about measurements, i didn't see much measurements there.

What people often don't realize, is that overunity is about maximum efficiency, so it also often needs high precision. I also wrote this in another thread.

PS I estimated that when citfta could reduce the force of shifting the shield magnet to 2 ounces, then he may have overunity. To achieve that would likely be very difficult though, as he already uses linear movement on ball bearings. It looks like though that in spite the movement is on ball bearings, it takes quite a force to move a magnet there, even if no forces affect it. Like moving towards the shield magnet may not have any force at all, it is at least 3 ounces, as if it always requires 3 ounces to move a magnet there. I don't know. But even if he can reduce the shifting to 2 ounces, his scales would likely have not enough precision to show the overunity, as the final calculations error with the scales he used would likely be +/-1 ounce, not better. Unless he perhaps tests the scales and shows that they have a higher precision, that these scales very unlikely have.

One more thing. Measuring forces when moving towards the right magnet is correct, as what one needs to know is the force at various distances from the right magnet. But the forces at different distances should be measured when the left magnet stands still, because otherwise the force of friction would be added to the force, as if it were an output force, while it really is an input force.

As i said, the higher precision scales used in physics experiments similar to the ones citfta used, are called "force gauge", and they cost $50 and up.


Floor

If One is so inclined, so as to accurately take measurements of the energy present in a
set of magnet interactions.

Don't take it lightly.

This can be an elaborate and time consuming process.

When poorly done, it is as bad as, or worse than no measurements at all.

                               floor

   see the PDF files attached