Quote from: hansvonlieven on October 15, 2007, 04:56:38 PM

Quote from: Freenrg4me on October 15, 2007, 01:49:53 PM

No I have no read Hitlers book but Hitler and Zionism are so closely linked they are inseparable.

Is that not the height of ignorance? I would have thought that only someone thoroughly familiar with Hitlerian and Zionist philosophy would be entitled to voice an opinion on the subject.

Hans von Lieven

Is that not the height of arrogance? If you think that not reading one book makes me somehow less qualified to know what is going on in the my country or elsewhere in history, you are delusional.

Lots of people write books and many of them are in politics. Do you think that what they wanted you to believe in a single book is reflective of the reality of their career?

What makes you think you are the end all be all of political reality in the US? You claim to live in the Netherlands. I live here Jack, and I know what is going on and it is so similar to what happened before WWII it scares me and if you don't know enough about history to know that there were many Zionist Jews in Hitlers government, you are a magical thinking idiot.

Most politicians write a book about themselves. Al Gore wrote one all about global warming. Does Al Gore know anything about the galactic oscillation of our solar system and how that might affect the temperature on Earth? Perhaps Al could explain why the other planets are heating up too.

Does his book really tell us anything about him? Nope, his actions tell us about him. He is a billionaire , Arman Hammer (a communist) was his godfather, his father, a senator was responsible for all the technology transfer sales to the Soviet Union. A traitor? You bet, and his "book" isn't going to tell you all about that, any more than Hitlers book is going to tell you all about Hitler.

But don't take my word for it, here are the words of some of the Zionist.

Theodor Herzl, Founder of Zionism in 1897:
?It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . . I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends?.
-- From Herzl's Diary

5. German Zionism offers to collaborate with Nazism
http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch05.htm

"Werner Senator, a leading German Zionist, once remarked that Zionism, for all its world Jewish nationalism, always politically assimilates to the countries within which it operates. No better proof of his remark exists than the political adaptation of the ZVfD to the theories and policies of the new Nazi regime. Believing that the ideological similarities between the two movements ? their contempt for liberalism, their common volkish racism and, of course, their mutual conviction that Germany could never be the homeland of its Jews ? could induce the Nazis to support them, the ZVfD solicited the patronage of Adolf Hitler, not once but repeatedly, after 1933."

51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
http://www.counterpunch.org/brenner1223.html

Jews Against Zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/news/Newsletters/pressrelease070904.htm

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained ?we must, above all, make it an international political issue.? Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome ?final solution of the Jewish question.? In his ?Diaries?, page 19, Herzl stated ?Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.?

Zionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo. Hitler himself personally supported Zionism. During the 1930?s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized ?Kibbutz? training camps over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of ?Israel?. The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler?s Germany and international Zionism. Through this agreement, Hitler?s Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930?s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals.

Would you like to see some quotes from some of your Zionist friends? Enjoy!
Let us start with David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel  1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963

There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?" -  David Ben Gurion Prime Minister of Israel  1949 - 1954, 1955 - 1963

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"

Well I could go on with that cut and paste for days. The Nazis and Zionist could not act any different. I am not a Nazi or a Zionist and do not support either unlike some of you.

O.K., time for your little bumper sticker smear job. Is that all you are capable of?

You seem capable of doing many things.  After reading your last post, I think you would have had a talent for loading boxcars, or operating furnaces, or anything else that needed doing. (Directed at Freenrg4me)

Bill

You see Hans, in reality I could not be any more pro Jewish. You can't see because of the lens of racism you view others and the world through.

A Zionist in not a Jew, that is a myth. Many people that claim to be Jews also claim to be Zionist or supporters of Israel but are they really Jews?

Read the book The Thirteenth Tribe. It traces the origin of the Ashkenazi Jews of Poland, Hungary and Romania and suggests they are not Jews at all.

The most racist people on Earth are the Israelis. Hitler was was a racist, I am not. I am just fine with Jews, not fine with Zionist. Why is it that people with ties to German Nazism also seem to such supporters of Zionism? The Bush family would be a good example.

If I were a Jew, I would be asking myself the questions:

Why are Zionist doing things that cause people to hate Jews?
Why are the Zionist trying to get all the Jews to move to Israel?
Could that separation wall have two sides?
Could the wall be used to keep Jews in?
Is someone planning another holocaust?
Have two enemies worked together for decades but each separately planning to double cross the other in the end?

Zionism is racism and racism is always the pretext to genocide.

Quote from: Pirate88179 on October 15, 2007, 06:52:02 PM
This guy seems capable of doing many things.  After reading his last post, I think he would have had a talent for loading boxcars, or operating furnaces, or anything else that needed doing.

Bill

Still can't form a proper sentence can you Bill? I am sure you have done lots of that type of work in your life.

But in the end, you turned out to be just just another flag waving cheer leader with thoughts that don't go beyond a bumper sticker or someone else's programming.

You inability to form an argument is a reflection of your lack of intellect. You lack lack of intellect is a function of your lack of personal integrity.

I sir, think for myself, and do not rely upon extremist, racist propaganda to bolster my thoughts and statements. I make decisions based upon historical facts, not hysterical ramblings.  What the hell all of this has to do with overunity is beyond me.  You sound like a very frustrated, lonely, and deeply disturbed individual.  Just the kind of recruit genocidal maniacs are looking for.

Bill