jeanna, just wanted to congratulate u with the experiments.  I am sure many of us are watching what you do.  The results with the voltages are very helpful and make you think.
I have some activated carbon lying around, I wonder if that would work...
Did you notice any difference between lying the rods horizontally vs putting them vertical?
Also, could you check the voltages between the items while they are lying on a kitchen table or some other wooden surface?

This should be a terrible sketch of what I want to try next. (Thanks to Localjoe for the circuit suggestion)  I will have to obtain more materials which will take some time.  I feel, from my experience, that they have to be the same "dissimilar" (is that possible?? ha ha) metals on the north and south.  You know, three carbon rods, three mag. blocks, etc.

I have been reading all I can about capacitors and, except for Sears using them as quick charging batteries for their screw guns, I can't find anything that says they will work like a battery like my little cap has been doing.  Still learning here.


@ Jeanna:

Great work out there!!!  Thanks for the info on Beaty.  I will look that up and read.  I love to read. I don't think messing with powdered graphite or carbon is going to work, and if it does it will not work as well as the isopressed and sintered rods.  The binder, in this case, some sort of conductive glue, will make up a certain percent of the mixture and thereby weaken the properties.  Of course, I never tried it and maybe it won't be the same as a condensed rod of the same size but still might be more than a carpenter's pencil.  Who knows?  Hey, stupid question here.  I have seen where I can buy, pretty cheap, carbon/graphite powder by the pound.  what if someone were to dig a hole and say fill it almost up with this powder, no glue, just the powder.  Could one stick electrode pick-ups into the pile and take the volts off of that?  I guess the rain would raise hell with it after a while but, if it's cheap.....?  Just a thought.

@ Joe:

I am going to rip one of those cameras apart here soon and see what happens. I'll let you know.

@ akashh:

That's a good suggestion about testing out of the ground.  I never did that.  I would assume there would be NO voltage between them in air but, since I did not do it, I don't really know do I?

Bill

Quote from: Localjoe on December 21, 2007, 07:07:22 PM
@jenna
If i remember right when a cap dumps its load there may be a time constant created by the ESR of the circuit, Its a fun concept to get used to and i dont fully understand it but think of a sharp increase that can only go so high until a on off cycle or bounce back was completed to let  the remainder through it may create a phase differencial because its going through the resistor which slows the second output by 90 degrees.
                                                                             Joe

PS- Thanks for weathering it i would be if every stupid part of my lawn wasen't covered

What do you mean by 90 degrees?
What's ESR?
Are both of those things to do with coils?

anyway I think we're talking about the same thing but I don't know but you may be talking about a more complex and "engineered" version of it.

I'm gonna try to find a graph on line. If I can't find one, I will make a hand drawn version on my tablet. There are 2 graphs. One for the charging and one for the discharging. In the simple way the charging follows one of the graphs and discharging the other. The curve describes the charging and discharging in ohms and farads.  T=RC T in seconds, R in ohms, C in farads.

The inductor has exactly the same shape graph which describes current increasing and decreasing in ohms and henries. T=L/R T in seconds. R in ohms, L in henries


I will see what I can find and pass it along.

QuoteDid you notice any difference between lying the rods horizontally vs putting them vertical?
Also, could you check the voltages between the items while they are lying on a kitchen table or some other wooden surface?

I could do it again. I remember when I did this the first time some weeks ago, the voltage was not as high. I can do it again.
Also, yes I did check out the voltage dry in the house - nada
And today since I brought the mag inside for cleaning and checking out I checked it against some copper and some steel. (I had left the pencils in the shed) The reading was 0.000v

This is all very exciting. The earth is making a big difference. I think the big challenge for us is to figure how to double and redouble it. In that regard, I suspect the depth is how we'll get it. I will however, make a set of connected cells like the one joe drew, since that may do it also.

Thank you all for your encouragement! I'm so accustomed to doing these things in a vacuum, it is really nice to be in a think tank.

jeanna

I stuck two copper rods in the earth about half a foot today and managed to get about 36 mV out of them at no current.  However, I began to wonder whether the voltage was in fact a reaction between the copper an my probe.  Sticking both probes in the earth resulted in 0V most of the time but I also did manage to get a very small voltage (20mV) with just probes in the ground.  Then I did something interesting - I put the multimeter on resistance and started to measure the resistance between my probes.  I got values of over 20k and sometimes 5 k depending on how well the probe was stuck in the ground.  I then did the same with the small copper rods and got about 5k and 10k depending on how deeply I put them in the ground.
I think, although I am not sure, that the resistance between the rods is what gives us the voltage.  When u bury 2 copper rods deeply, I am sure there will be no volts (well,not sure, but I think).  But the higher the resistance the more the voltage (and less the current).  Does this make sense? 

on normal science terms the greater the resistance the less the voltage however i have seen a couple free energy devices that claim raising the resistance or load increases their devices ability to increas its output to match... perhaps something twisted like that may be occuring but i dont see why it would work like that.  when your measuring resistance from one pole to the next your measuring as if your passing a voltage from one through the ground to the other, in this battery if im not mistaken we need 2 poles only because the voltage has to have a return path (but does not need to reach the other pole) because the voltage from the return path does not need to reach the collecter there is no increase in resistance and thus as bill says he has experienced or was it joe? the farther the poles are from each other the greater the electrical potential, but the greater the resistance as well! however remember voltage has to have an in and an out, with that considered the ground provides the current but when it returns to ground it does not return to the other pole (unless a chemical reaction is occuring)   

my question is has someone tried to take a car battery or other 12 volt high power battery and "charge" their earth battery? it only needs a second or two to activate or in my case with the sand batteries increase the voltage by a rediculas 200% ! from .04 volt to .76!