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Magnets provide a force, not energy.

Every deflection yoke I have seen has wires running to it.  What do you suppose those wires are doing?

In an electric motor, the magnets provide an opposing force to the magnetism produced by the electric windings, nothing more.  The magnets are not adding "energy" to the system.  They are simply there for the windings to push against.

Similarly, gravity acts as a force.  A force doesn't do "work" until something moves.  Once gravity does work (something falling), equal work must be done to lift the object back to the point that it fell from.  That work will be at least equal to the work that was done by the object falling.

In the case of magnets, the same applies.  Yes, a magnet can do the work of lifting something.  But similar to the gravity example, whatever the magnet lifts must be pulled away from the magnet.  The action of pulling the object away from the object requires at least the same amount of work that was done by the magnet lifting the object.  No matter what method you use to cause the magnet to release the object, you will expend the same amount of energy that it took for the object to become attracted to the magnet.

Please define "overunity" as it applies to the devices being proposed here.

Quote from: jake on May 10, 2006, 12:40:20 PM
Magnets provide a force, not energy.

Every deflection yoke I have seen has wires running to it.  What do you suppose those wires are doing?

In an electric motor, the magnets provide an opposing force to the magnetism produced by the electric windings, nothing more.  The magnets are not adding "energy" to the system.  They are simply there for the windings to push against.

Similarly, gravity acts as a force.  A force doesn't do "work" until something moves.  Once gravity does work (something falling), equal work must be done to lift the object back to the point that it fell from.  That work will be at least equal to the work that was done by the object falling.

In the case of magnets, the same applies.  Yes, a magnet can do the work of lifting something.  But similar to the gravity example, whatever the magnet lifts must be pulled away from the magnet.  The action of pulling the object away from the object requires at least the same amount of work that was done by the magnet lifting the object.  No matter what method you use to cause the magnet to release the object, you will expend the same amount of energy that it took for the object to become attracted to the magnet.

Please define "overunity" as it applies to the devices being proposed here.

A yoke on a TV also has magnets attached to it, not just wires.  There are no wires powering the magnets.  The magnets assist replacing energy that would be used in a electromagnet to accomplish the same work.  A motor that uses windings creates a magnetic force with that power (simple energy conversion) to simulate a magnet that turns on and off at the correct time for motor operation.  That magnetic force acts against another magnetic force to do work (a motor).  Magnets can do the same thing (and I have done it, as have others).  A magnet will repel and attract just like an electromagnet.  If you properly design the device, you can do work with it.  Only no power is fed back to the magnet in exchange for the work done.  To argue physics with you is pointless, since it is only man's understanding (and has become a religion) of how he believes that things always operate and so he call them laws.  Since new ways to operate with magnets are available today, physics "laws" may have to change and therefore are no law but only rules as is understood currently by man.  Only God makes laws, since He is the law giver and created this place, having all knowledge.  You can find the definition of overunity quite easily by looking it up. 

I tried looking up the definition of overunity.  www.dictionary.com (which references numerous dictionaries) does not report a definition for overunity or any obvious derivative thereof.  Please refer me to an online (or other) definition of "overunity".  (incidentally, I don't quickly find a definition on this site either)


Since you have done it, please refer me to posts that explain specifically what it is you have done.  The closest I have seen to a working device is a guy spinning a ball with a magnet attached to it, but he happens to be holding the stator in his hand.  He can't seem to demonstrate it working without holding the stator in his hand. (hint - the energy required to make it work is coming from him.)

In short:

Unity would be a break even between power in to power out.

Over Unity would be doing better than that.

I have not posted here what I have done, so I can't direct you to a previous post.

It is a motor that I made last year with a simple wood frame (very homemade looking [with no magnets in hand to make it run]) that is based on magnets and uses a little electricity (less than 1.5 watts continuously) at operating speed of at least 400 RPM (at fractional horsepower).  The prototype was a test of principle only (it was not designed for strength, just to see if the motor design would even turn at all using magnets as the rotational force and continue to run; which it did).  This first motor has limitations (being of basic design), but runs surprisingly well for a first try on a very low power requirement.  Below is a (very limited) partial picture of it and I purposely do not show the method of operation and have therefore omitted part of the picture.  It is a picture from one of three movies that I made of it when it was running.  Sorry for the 'tease' due to the limited nature of the picture (I really dislike having to do that), but it is necessary from an inventor point of view at this time.  I hope you understand.

Liberty