Quote from: sm0ky2 on February 09, 2008, 09:46:18 PM

Quote from: Elvis Oswald on February 09, 2008, 02:46:24 AM
circuits are built with the input in mind.  if the input was different - europe vs america - then the circuit is different.

The only difference is surface area.

more surface area (secondary) = more voltage.  Less surface area = less voltage.

and of course - as voltage goes up - amperage goes down.

With less surface area... voltage going down, amperage going up... does the smaller surface cause a resistance?

it is not just surface area, its the number of molecules that are allowing for the transfer of electricity. a thinner wire has less molecules being effected by the electromotive force (conduction).
a thicker wire allows for a higher current.

the mass being balanced, there is the same ammount of metal in both wires, one is just stretched out into more turns.


Tesla was not supressed for the knowledge he possessed, he was supressed because of what he DID with that knowledge.
He was not only a super-genius, but also one of the greatest Mad-Scientists this world has ever known. The United States government stopped him from destroying the world, and destroyed his laboratory. The small ammount of knowledge that did manage to escape into the hands of the public, can be used to cause inhumane destruction with simple technology. I believe the supression was done for the good of the free society. - as "unscientific" as that may sound.

a Lot can be learned from the work he did, but there are some things that the general public just should not know.
Much of his technology is hidden in confusing patents, which if any random idiot could understand, we would live in a world of anarchy.

for example, one of his patents teaches one how to destroy any man-made structure with:
(1) the vibrator-motor out of a cell phone or pager (usually free from a decommissioned device)
and
(2) a 20k trim-pot.  (30 cents)


there are hundreds of patents publically available, and several more that the U.S. patent office cannot seem to find in their archives (hmm), most of which have hazardous potential like the one i mentioned above..
Others have the potential to destroy the planet we live on.

That being said, Tesla did know a great deal about the behavior of electricity.
But, as for the nature of the substance of electricity....,
i must refer you to another electrical entrepreneur by the name of Edward Leedskalnin. He truly knew the secrets of  electricity, and by studying what he tried to teach, you can obtain a full understanding of it's nature.
A subject, only recently being breached by quantum physics, and almost everything he said on that subject, thus far holds true. (be careful with his writings on some other subjects though, as most geniuses are, as was he insane)

some things that the general public should not know?

Well - I guess we see that those with the wealth decide who is "general public" and who is not.  That is the problem with your thinking on this subject.

Every man and every woman is born into this world just the same as you, me, or the "elite"  -  it's not up for you or the kings and queens of this world to decide who has what rights.
The Kings and queens have always used wealth and power and technology to enforce their right to rule - and decide who is "general public" and who is not.

The US Government (not "general public") has used their technology to destroy people and to steal resources and to wreck eco-systems around the world.  So, perhaps technology is something no one should have... BUT - it is here and someone will have it.  It's best that we all have it.

Towns in the US that pass laws that say all people must have a gun... all but eliminate violent crime.  I'd say that if all Americans carried the same weapons that the police and military have - we would not have the patriot act and all the executive orders that allow the president to do whatever the f*ck he wants.

So, I say bring it on.  We are natural beings living in a natural world and we have a right to interact with it as we please.

the "elite" or wealthy have nothing to do with this. They too being deprived of much of Tesla's knowledge.

it has to do with Responsibility, Morality, personal characteristics that many people lack, or simply ignore.

if you give 100 people, each a small button that when pressed would blow up Lake Superior.

how long do you think that lake will be there, before it explodes?

what if you gave this button to 10,000 people??

200 billion people? - there would BE no lake left.

If it pleases me to destroy the world, are you saying i have the "right" to do so?  I have to seriously object to such idealism.

the "general public" refers to EVERYONE, not just the lower-class, or the middle-class, or anyone who falls outside of whatever "elite group" you are referencing in your post.

I think you need to understand the full context of what we are discussing here - technologies with destructive potential comparable to that of a nuclear bomb, from devices that are less complex than a Toaster. The majority of mankind is not responsible enough to posses this kind of knowledge. To tell you the truth, i had to struggle with my own self-control on this subject, and i like to think im a "rational person". - Ultimate Power can corrupt one's morality, and 'common sense',  but the Prospect of Ultimate Power, can be even more corrupting. I don't personally agree with the supression that has taken place, but i understand the reasoning behind it. Tesla is not the first, nor was he the last that this has happened to. What you or I think about governmental control is irrelevant, its done with everyone in mind, not just the few therefore we have to think about everyone else here, and not just ourselves.
You may like to have full disclosure of the technology, but would you like Tommy to have it? or Susie?
or what about that crazy kid Jim, who blew up the toilet w/ an M-80 in middle school?

I think we should all be greatful that any common idiot who reads Tesla's work, or his available patents cannot understand what he is talking about. Theres enough people that would use these things to cause destruction, that it makes it worth keeping it from those of us who would use it for good. - at least from the perspective of protecting the nation.

The only people that are not "general public", are government employees who have explicit agreements about what they can and cannot do with given information.

This particular case, i do not think they are "hiding" Tesla's knowledge, i suspect that they destroyed much of it, for the good of humanity. Which could explain why the patent office is missing some of his earlier patents from their archives.
He didnt build what he built, just to play with plasma arcs.....

Quote from: sm0ky2 on February 10, 2008, 12:18:33 PM
the "elite" or wealthy have nothing to do with this. They too being deprived of much of Tesla's knowledge.

it has to do with Responsibility, Morality, personal characteristics that many people lack, or simply ignore.

if you give 100 people, each a small button that when pressed would blow up Lake Superior.

how long do you think that lake will be there, before it explodes?

what if you gave this button to 10,000 people??

00 billion people? - there would BE no lake left.

If it pleases me to destroy the world, are you saying i have the "right" to do so?  I have to seriously object to such idealism.

the "general public" refers to EVERYONE, not just the lower-class, or the middle-class, or anyone who falls outside of whatever "elite group" you are referencing in your post.

I think you need to understand the full context of what we are discussing here - technologies with destructive potential comparable to that of a nuclear bomb, from devices that are less complex than a Toaster. The majority of mankind is not responsible enough to posses this kind of knowledge. To tell you the truth, i had to struggle with my own self-control on this subject, and i like to think im a "rational person". - Ultimate Power can corrupt one's morality, and 'common sense',  but the Prospect of Ultimate Power, can be even more corrupting. I don't personally agree with the supression that has taken place, but i understand the reasoning behind it. Tesla is not the first, nor was he the last that this has happened to. What you or I think about governmental control is irrelevant, its done with everyone in mind, not just the few therefore we have to think about everyone else here, and not just ourselves.
You may like to have full disclosure of the technology, but would you like Tommy to have it? or Susie?
or what about that crazy kid Jim, who blew up the toilet w/ an M-80 in middle school?

I think we should all be greatful that any common idiot who reads Tesla's work, or his available patents cannot understand what he is talking about. Theres enough people that would use these things to cause destruction, that it makes it worth keeping it from those of us who would use it for good. - at least from the perspective of protecting the nation.

The only people that are not "general public", are government employees who have explicit agreements about what they can and cannot do with given information.

This particular case, i do not think they are "hiding" Tesla's knowledge, i suspect that they destroyed much of it, for the good of humanity. Which could explain why the patent office is missing some of his earlier patents from their archives.

Smokey

Where  are you getting this BS  that   Teslas work is dangerous ?

Do you have any proof?

Your   idea that a cell phone   vibrator  and a few  parts can bring down a building is  just plane  silly .
Even  if   a cell phone  vibrator   was strong enough to set up  the necessary  vibrations   it would take   hours  or maybe  days for those vibrations to  build to a  high enough  level to bring  down a building.


Your  analogy  about blowing up a lake Superior is  just as silly .     
If you blow up a lake    you end up  with a big hole in the ground ,   this  hole fills with water and  you  end up  with a lake  .

Perhaps  if you   just climb  under a rock    or stick your head in the  sand   all the worlds problems  will go away.

As far as I know  acid rain is caused in part by our  dependence  on fossil fuel
Is acid rain   going to go away  if  we  do nothing? 

Is  global warming   going to go way  if we do nothing?



The   magic  button  to blow  up a lake  doesn't  exist ........ something  similar  does exist .  and  we pushed that button   a long time ago . 
We are destroyiing   the earth  by  depending on  burnng  fuel   for  our energy needs .


Tesla   was not  blacklisted   because his  work was dangerous .    He was blacklisted  because he  tried to  make a away   create  electricity  on a large scale that could not  be metered .

ALL new technology  has  risks

I do agree with you that   there are some  technology's  here   that   MAY be dangerous .
I agree that  some people might    try to use these technology's to hurt  others  if they become common  knowledge.

The plane  and simple  truth is  that if we keep   on  going  in the same  direction  we have been  going for the last  200 years ......  our world will be unlivable  in  the not  to distant  future.

I for one   choose to  work  to help  improve the chances of   the earth  surviving .



gary

All things can be used for good or evil, it is up to us in how we use them.

G'day all,

My two cents worth in the debate. I know this is not for me to comment upon as I am a conventional engineer but I am doing it anyway. So there.

It is not electricity per se that is not understood by conventional science. Even though we do not know exactly what it is, we have a fair idea what it does.

What is not well understood, and what Tesla was on about is resonance. Two different things really as you can have resonance without electricity.

Understand resonance and you understand Tesla, Keely and a whole host of others that did extraordinary things.

Hans von Lieven