Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 09, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
Interesting discovery about the readings when some of the wire is still on the floor on the spools. I think Gary is right in that this might come in handy later on down the road.  I just wish I had access to more wire so I could wind a much larger coil.  I will one day.  I have a fantasy of an NS coil the size of a 55 gallon drum!!!  I'll bet that baby would put out some power.  I have some pre-wound secondary coils I have salvaged and I might play with them on my smaller coil today.  I will let you know.
Bill

A large on like this?

@ Jeanna:

Yes, that is just about right.

Bill

Quote from: Localjoe on April 09, 2008, 06:41:49 PM

                        .. remember others are getting upwards of 80 ma which is 5x my output but still not enough for the real deal , 250 ma - 500 ma .5 amps  would be optimal for a good starting point                                                                                                                      Joe

I actually don't remember that and I cannot find where it was posted. I have just looked back for an hour. If you have that information, please quote the date for me - all of us.

I do have a record of how much the amperage rises every row and I very much doubt the reading was not a mistake and that it was microAmps instead of milliAmps. The coil would have to be very very large and fat. I have a few 6 layer jobs here, now. Who was it? was it Sid? or Bruce? or Freezer? I remember those guys having fat coils but I cannot find them today. And they haven't been around for a while.

jeanna

When I run out of copper on this latest coil I will post my indoors results. This latest one is on a piece of pipe to allow a flow of something through the center. I can theoretically fill it later to see the difference between a solid core piece1 and a hollow one.

@Bill,
I was afraid it was. 

Quote from: Pirate88179 on April 09, 2008, 03:35:49 PM
@ All:

About the ac readings.  Outside on my multiple electrode set-up I would get about 2.2 vdc and 2.8 vac.  If I got (in the beginning) 1.8 vdc I would get about 2.4 vac.  There seemed to be a ratio that was pretty consistent.  I never paid much attention to it as I figured it was just a meter anomaly, especially when I measured a similar ratio on the AA battery between vdc and vac.

This goes beyond my current (no pun intended) knowledge of electronics but possibly we are seeing pulsed dc at whatever our particular coils natural frequency is?  Maybe pulsed dc will show up on a digital or analog meter as an ac reading?  This still does not explain the ac reading on a AA battery though.  Anyone can try this, take a normal AA bat. and check for ac.

Bill

I  had a AAA battery handy  so I measured the AC 

.007  just ike  the "normal  for no  AC with coil .

HOWEVER .............. I  had just checked  for  AC on  with my new test .    It  had measured  .007 too.

When  I  unclipped the  leads   for  some reason I  unclipped one  then did  something else. 
WHen I came back I noticed the   meter  was  reading   .023 V   AC


I  got  courious  and took a few more readings .

AAA battery     B  lead .012   R lead  .055
5 uF   cap       B       .016       R     .092
1 uF  cap       B      .010         R      .013

From   the  copper winding of  my  first coil   I got  B  .012     R  9
Same  readings for  iron
When  connected  across   these windings I got  .007
SO  .......  connecting  across   the  winding  cancels  the effect ..
To make things more interesting ....... I connected  one side of my old  coil  with  one side of my new one .
The voltage ADDED

Maybe  these are all just  meter error  readings ......
I don't think  so.

I took    each of these readings  several times  ........  if  there are errors  why are they so consistent?

After  thinking about it a while .  I think that the  readings are not exactly errors .......but probably  baseline  readings  of AC in general ........including  RF   
As a way of checking out if  these readings might be  RF  I hooked  a TV   up  to my  coils
My  first coil didn't  work good at all .......but then again it is  shorted
With  just one  side hooked  up  my new  coil is   one of the  best  omni  directional  antennas  I have seen.



Does  the  fact that it is picking  up  RF  change anything ?
I don't think so .
My  theory is that  the  copper and Iron  pick  up   magnetic fields  at  different rates .
I  think that the  earth battery   does  what it  does because of these  differences .

gary

@jeanna

The layered material separating the layers was my lazy idea, but never the less still an effective one.

i will be using the same method of layered cloth inbetween layers for my next cell but i will be using the winding method from the patent, i will have wire in longer lengths this time around .

Chad.