Quote from: springfield on April 17, 2008, 06:58:45 AM
But if the buggy accelerates, it has to gain kinetic energy which must use power and that power has to come from somewhere - form the batery I guess. So how does the "regenerative" thing come into play? Sorry to ask dumb questions but I'm trying to figure this out.
-Mike

TO PUT IT SIMPLY THE MOTOR ACTION IN GENERATOR IS REVERSED FROM THE CONVENTIONAL LENZ'S LAW DECELERATION EFFECT TO AN ACCELERATIVE ONE. THE GENERATOR IS ACTING LIKE A GENERATOR AND A MOTOR DRIVING THE SYSTEM AT THE SAME TIME.

MY AREA OF CONSIDERATION FROM A THEORY PERSPECTIVE HAS TO DO WITH THE VARYING COIL CAPACITANCE.

Thane

Quote from: OilBarren on April 17, 2008, 07:10:50 AM

Quote from: springfield on April 17, 2008, 06:58:45 AM
But if the buggy accelerates, it has to gain kinetic energy which must use power and that power has to come from somewhere - form the batery I guess. So how does the "regenerative" thing come into play? Sorry to ask dumb questions but I'm trying to figure this out.
-Mike

TO PUT IT SIMPLY THE MOTOR ACTION IN GENERATOR IS REVERSED FROM THE CONVENTIONAL LENZ'S LAW DECELERATION EFFECT TO AN ACCELERATIVE ONE. THE GENERATOR IS ACTING LIKE A GENERATOR AND A MOTOR DRIVING THE SYSTEM AT THE SAME TIME.

Thane

@oilbarren
Yeh I see that but what I can't see is where the extra energy comes from because after it accelerates it has higher kinetic energy so that extra energy has to be supply from somewhere. For example say teh buggy is 100kg and its running at 5m/s say it has 1250 joules of kintetci energy (1/2mv^2) - then say it accelerates to 10m/s then it has 5000 joules of kinetic energy. The motor-generator has to supply the additional 3750 joules. My quesiton is where does that extra 3750 come from? Must be form teh battery isn't it?
-Mike

@springfield
That is an overly simplistic view of what is required and only applies to the narrow confines of conventional technology, I think what thane is proposing is the non-conventional use of inductance and capacitance in a motor/generator system in which case none of your calculations apply. The "extra" energy is not supplied from anywhere, we conserve the energy we have---that was utilized in the circuit from the start.

@Oilbarren

QuoteMY AREA OF CONSIDERATION FROM A THEORY PERSPECTIVE HAS TO DO WITH THE VARYING COIL CAPACITANCE.

Varied coil capacitance, now your talking my language
I just posted how one would do such a thing in the "Tesla patent 512340 Redux" thread, it seems Tesla had found a way to maximize the inturn capacity to unheard of values in a small volume coil and in the process counteract all self-induction. If self-induction or to be more precise the opposition to changes in current flow in relation to the primary are stored as inturn capacitance in the secondary then we are dealing with energy stored as an electric field between windings--- a capacitor, a transformation of energy.In this case this opposition to change we call Lenz Law has no place as there is no opposition, there is only a change in form. We do not need countless windings on our coils to do this, there is a much easier way.

Quote from: springfield on April 17, 2008, 09:39:56 AM

@oilbarren
Yeh I see that but what I can't see is where the extra energy comes from because after it accelerates it has higher kinetic energy so that extra energy has to be supply from somewhere.  Must be form teh battery isn't it?
-Mike

YES OF COURSE FROM A BATTERY (SORT OF) OR MANY INDIVIDUCAL CAPACITORS

LET?S CONSIDER THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS OF A HIGH CURRENT COIL:

HIGH INDUCED REACTION FORCE
LOW DC RESISTANCE
VERY LOW OR NEGLIGIBLE CAPACITIVE REACTANCE

NOW LET?S CONSIDER THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS OF A HIGH VOLTAGE COIL

HIGH CAPACITIVE REACTANCE
HIGH DC RESISTANCE
VERY LOW OR NEGLIGIBLE INDUCED REACTION FORCE

CONSIDER A MAGNET APPROACHING A HIGH CURRENT COIL

WHEN A MAGNET APPROACHES A HIGH CURRENT COIL, THE COIL PRODUCES A LARGE REPELLING FIELD -(TRYING TO KEEP THE MAGNET FROM APPROACHING) BECAUSE A LOT OF CURRENT FLOWS IN THE COIL DUE TO THE LOW IMPEDENCE. 

WHEN THE MAGNET LEAVES THE COIL THE OPPOSITE OCCURS ? THE COIL THE CURRENT CHANGES DIRECTION AND THE COIL PRODUCES A HIGH ATTRACTING FIELD ? (TRYING TO KEEP THE MAGNET FROM MOVING AWAY) BECAUSE A LOT OF CURRENT FLOWS IN THE COIL.

CONSIDER A MAGNET APPROACHING A HIGH VOLTAGE COIL

NOW CONSIDER WHEN A MAGNET APPROACHES A HIGH VOLTAGE COIL VERY LITTLE CURRENT FLOWS BECAUSE OF THE HIGH IMPEDENCE IN THE COIL SO A VERY SMALL REPELLING FIELD IS PRODUCED ? THE MAGNET APPROACHES EASILY.

THE COIL BUILDS UP A CAPACITIVE CHARGE "slowly" AT THE RATE OF MAGNET APPROACH.

THE INSTANT THE MAGNET MOVES AWAY FROM THE COIL - THE COIL PRODUCES A CAPACITIVE DISCHARGE INSTANTLY THROUGH THE  COIL RESISTANCE AND THE MAGNETIC FIELD PRODUCED BY THE COIL'S CAPACITIVE DISCHARGE PUSHES AWAY THE RECEDING MAGNET WITH ADDITIONAL FORCE THUS ACCELERATING THE PRIME MOVER.

Thane

Quote from: allcanadian on April 17, 2008, 01:03:11 PM
@springfield
That is an overly simplistic view of what is required and only applies to the narrow confines of conventional technology, I think what thane is proposing is the non-conventional use of inductance and capacitance in a motor/generator system in which case none of your calculations apply. The "extra" energy is not supplied from anywhere, we conserve the energy we have---that was utilized in the circuit from the start.

@Oilbarren

QuoteMY AREA OF CONSIDERATION FROM A THEORY PERSPECTIVE HAS TO DO WITH THE VARYING COIL CAPACITANCE.

... we are dealing with energy stored as an electric field between windings--- a capacitor, a transformation of energy.In this case this opposition to change we call Lenz Law has no place as there is no opposition, there is only a change in form. We do not need countless windings on our coils to do this, there is a much easier way.

@AC
I can't make the numebrs workr for that? I'm just working out for that example were looking for 3,750 joules. The energy stored in a capacitor is (C.V^2)/2 so even if the inturn capacitance is 1 microfarad, which would be extremely large, the voltage would have ot be about 90,000 volts to get that amount of energy!! So I canq't see how anywhere clost to that amount of energy (3,750 joules) could be stored in the inturn capacitance - what am I missing?
-Mike