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However a couple of points in this last test... 1) the copper shorting rings are still in place, how does this affect the test?

NOT MUCH - AND I DO INTEND TO CUT THEM OUT - BUT I WANTED TO SEE IF THEY DID ANYTHING INTERESTING FIRST.

Quote2) not nearly as much back iron present as in video #4,

ACTUALLY I HAD A TON IN THERE WHEN I DID THE TEST BUT REMOVED IT FOR THE PHOTOS CAUSE LUC WOULD HAVE A "BIRD" TO SEE HOW CRAPPY IT LOOKED.

Quote3) the back iron that is present is sort of at the bottom of the "toroid",

I AM IN THE PROCESS MOUNTING A PLATE OF LAMINATED TRANSFORMER BACK IRON IN BETWEEN THE TWO "TOROIDS" AND THEN DRILLING A HOLE IN THE MIDDLE FOR THE ROTOR DRIVE SHAFT.

THIS WILL GIVE THE ROTOR FLUX A GOOD AVENUE THROUGH THE COILS AND BACK TO THE ROTOR - SIMILAR TO DEMO # 4 - BUT WITH 2 "TOROIDS" INSTEAD OF JUST 1.

Quote4) the "toroid" has two air gaps of it's own....sorry, do it again, lol

YES BUT THE IDEA AGAIN IS TO PUT ALOT OF BACK IRON ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE ROTOR TO "PULL" AND KEEP FLUX BACK THERE AND AWAY FROM THE AIR GAP BETWEEN THE COILS AND THE ROTOR.

Thane aka "Deciple of Truth"

Larry C,

Fascinating results. 

To test the "angular momentum" hypothesis further, you might find a solid wheel of even greater mass (or stack several grinding wheels together) to make a (balanced!) truly MASSIVE disc ... and measure that effect.

For, there IS a method "to this madness."           

Eric Laithwaite was the foremost British electrical engineer of the 20th Century -- the man who invented the LINEAR induction motor (and thus, the "hovertrain"). 

At the end of his life, Eric had even been contracted by NASA (in 1997) to design and build a version of his linear levitation system for suspending and accelerating spacecraft into space ... ala that great spaceship scene toward the end of that 1950's classic film, "When Worlds Collide!"

In between, Eric developed an intense interest in -- and unique understanding of -- gyroscopes.

The relevance of this to what's occurring here?

You ... Thane, Vince, Luc, Aether 22 (whatever DID happen to him ...?), and anyone else duplicating Thane's original motor/generator design ... has essentially built a MASSIVE GYROSCOPE. 

One powered by an induction motor.

So, here's Laithwaite's genius--

"The equations of a gyroscope are identical to the equations of an induction motor in two-axis form.  By analogy, we can relate quantities in the one discipline to their counterparts in the other ... (emphasis added)." 

["Give Us a Sign," by Professor E.R. Laithwaite, Electrical Review Vol. 207 No. 3  18 July 1980]

Bruce dePalma (who I had the immense satisfaction of working with ...), and a contemporary of Laithwaite's, also experimented with magnetized gyroscopes ... and discovered (independently) additional, crucial similarities between the two rotating systems ....

So, add more (balanced!) mass to your "Laithwaite gyroscope" ... and see what happens.

Rapid advances at "the edge of engineering" occur only by taking advantage of ALL "prior art" -- so we all don't have to keep "reinventing the wheel" ....             

Good Luck.


RCH

P.S.  To answer your last question:
       
          Just before he died, Eric (according to witness testimony) succeeded in producing a
          bonafide demo of a rotating system, capable of "unidirectional" force ... something
          that Bruce DePalma also succeeded in doing.   There is even a patent for it, here--

           http://www.delphion.com/cgi-bin/viewpat.cmd/US05860317__?MODE=fstv&OUT_FORMAT=pdf

          Now, THERE'S something "useful" ....       

          We are presently attempting to locate the whereabouts of both actual engineering
          models.

          Others (according to various web links) seem to have succeeded in (at least, partially ...)
          duplicating these extraordinary engineering results, such as here--

          http://www.padrak.com/agn/PENDTESTS.html


          So, stay tuned.

Quote from: OilBarren on May 04, 2008, 07:21:47 PM

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One other difference that may be useful as RCH suggested. Without the grinding wheel the rpms returned to the original value after unshorting. With the grinding wheel the rpms would remain at or very close to the accelerated rpms after unshorting.

YES THE GRINDING WHEEL ADDS TO THE UNSPRUNG WEIGHT OF YOUR "FLYWHEEL" AND MAKES IT EASIER FOR THE MOTOR TO MAINTAIN THE ACCELERATED SPEED.

Thane

Agreed, but wouldn't you expect an added mass to only slow down the deceleration, not halt it. May be due to flywheel effect along with torque characteristics of the motor

Larry

Larry C,

"There is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamed of in your ... er ... Newtonian Mechanics."

Laithwaite and DePalma BOTH discovered there are more "mysterious forces" operating on a rotating system ... then on one which is NOT rotating (which is the standard "Newtonian" version of mechanics).

"Mysterious, additional forces"  ... which can result -- under certain circumstances -- in ADDED angular momentum ... ADDED electrical energy ... ADDED torque ... etc., etc., etc.

It's ALL in their published results.

So ... don't "reinvent" the wheel -- "borrow" one.       

I mean: who are you gonna believe -- your own "lyin' eyes" ... or the (non-rotating) textbooks?


RCH

Quote from: RCH on May 04, 2008, 08:26:21 PM
Larry C,

"There is more in Heaven and Earth than is dreamed of in your ... er ... Newtonian Mechanics."

Laithwaite and DePalma BOTH discovered there are more "mysterious forces" operating on a rotating system ... then on one which is NOT rotating (which is the standard "Newtonian" version of mechanics).

"Mysterious, additional forces"  ... which can result -- under certain circumstances -- in ADDED angular momentum ... ADDED electrical energy ... ADDED torque ... etc., etc., etc.

It's ALL in their published results.

So ... don't "reinvent" the wheel -- "borrow" one.       

I mean: who are you gonna believe -- your own "lyin' eyes" ... or the (non-rotating) textbooks?


RCH

Thanks for this and your previous post. Never heard your show, but it is obvious why you are so qualified for your position. I will try to review more of Laithwaite and DePalma info.

Don't know how to add more balanced mass to the current shaft as there is physical restriction on the shaft. May need couplings with additional bearings and balanced mass rotor.

Comment about Laithwaite: It's funny, I have been interested in gyroscopes since 1962. I just don't understand how the Royal Institution in 1974 was so ignorant of basic gyroscope characteristics.
   

@Nomen luni,
Thanks for the info.

Regards,
Larry