AETHER,

I MEAN NO DISRESPECT - F_CKING UP IS THE KET TO MY SUCCESS.

Thane

Quote from: Nali2001 on May 19, 2008, 09:30:00 AM
Hi there Hoptoad,
-Yes that is a 'universal motor' It's from a washing machine and unlike these induction motor they can be 'truly' be set to any rpm.
-Hmm o/p coil? Not sure what you mean. See the attached pictures below.
-There are two coils in parallel and each is 2.3 ohm (20Gauge wire)
-Well the rotor is a double rotor as seen on the pictures. 6 magnets 'pairs' or 12 magnets total (one magnet is 20x40x10mm)
-With this design that acceleration always kicks in as far as I know. I did make another core model and that indeed required at least an 700rpm+ before acceleration happens.

Well the big dumper is that although the acceleration is cool and all. It is only a ?relief? on the eddy drag and such the core sets up to the motor in the first place. I never found a combination where the acceleration (in watts) was more than the drag (in watts) induced due to the solid steel. I mean don't freaking underestimate the eddy currents (and such) in solid steel, it's huge. In this model each core introduces like 50watts+ of eddy currents drag. And in any sensible generator the core must obviously induce more output power then the amount of drag loses, it's own core causes. In his system you see like 50watts out and the motor is pulling like 300 watts. So if you look at it this way the generator has no output. The presents of the core costs like 50watts drag and such, but it outputs also like 50wattt So there is no net gain/output.
Plus the core got freaking hot I tell you. In like 2 minutes the cores are like 70 degrees Celsius. So you say use laminated cores then, well I did and indeed they have 10 times less drag losses and have great output, far exceeding the max output of the solid steel cores. BUT the acceleration is also totally gone. And the thing acts like a normal generator. Load it, and it loads the prime mover down. So in the mean time I have come up with the conclusion. ?Yes you can have a under load accelerating machine, but (in watts) it will only accelerate up to the point that it equals the core drag losses (in watts)?.

Regard,
Steven

Steven, what you observed is what many others have found.
It seems that the shorted coil is doing it's job and reducing core losses (which it should do as coils are induced to counteract (reduce) changes in flux and hence losses derived from changes in flux MUST also be reduced).
And so while it might come as a slight surprise that the new Lenz law losses are less than the reduction in core losses acceleration is not unexpected as losses are being reduced.

This is a point Thane needs to brush up on because on the face of it there is nothing setting Thanes effect apart from the possibly entirely conventional effect found by Steve, hoptoad and many others where shorted or loaded coils produce acceleration. (the greatest evidence in Thanes corner being the need for an all steel shaft in low pressure situations)

Thanes device is interesting because:
Halving the core height increases the effect.
Putting shorted coils in series increases the effect.
HV coils show the effect where HC coils do not.
Because he has show in some instances that the effect is only present when the shaft connecting the motor and generator is all steel.
And Vince has shown that motor torque is measurably increased!
And Thane has shown that one coil is enough with an all steel connection but that with 8 coils everything can be non magnetic.

It scares me when Thane forgets that it is only these nuances that prove his effect is not just a mundane expected conventional effect as he has done by saying that the brass coupler is ancient history (along with and thought that something is moving from the motor to the generator).

Sadly Thane seems directionless, making a gee wizz dune buggy etc... when all the effort should go on one thing only, testing the transmission of (IMO aether) from the generator into the motor.
Do more to prove that something is transferring from the generator to the motor.

I have lots of experiments I have suggested but they have been ignored, clearly I need to carry them out.

QuoteAre you withdrawing your offer to send it? (the coil you posted earlier)

NO - NOT AT ALL BUT YOU COULD HAVE A WORKING MODEL IN A DAY OR TWO AS OPOSED
TO WAITING ANOTHER TEN - PLUS COSTS.

QuoteI am happy to pay for everything but I think you are missing the point here. (I only mentioned that because a private message to you asking where you wanted me to send the rest of the money was met with no reply)

I AM SORRY I THOUGHT I SAID SEND IT TO LUC TO PAY FOR HIS GAS.

QuoteI have gone to real expense and effort to make a coil that matches your coil as close as I could, I got a close gauge of wire, a steel rod that except for being longer seems to match the rods you used initially (same diameter as the magnets).

YES YOU DESERVE SOME CREDIT - CAN YOU POST SOME PHOTOS OF YOUR SET UP - BORROW OR STEAL A DIGITAL CAMERA?

QuoteI calculated the length would need to have the same length of wire that you used when you mentioned 27 gauge at 200 ohms. (hence my resistance turned out to be higher as I went with a metric version which is a little fatter than 30 gauge)

IT'S A BITCH I KNOW - IT TOOK ME 5 YEARS OF WINDING BEFORE I SAW WHAT I WAS AFTER AS WELL - PERHAPS WE CAN GET YOU UP TO SPEED SOONER.

Quote
And yet I have multiple tap points so I can have a lower resistance and inductance, still nothing.

I had asked for more info on your coil but it was not forthcoming because 'it is easy, just wind it'.

So if you will give me enough info on the coil so I may build it then I will but this time I want much more info than just resistance. (inductance, turning direction, gauge, far more info on the core)
Is it possible I missed the simple instructions you refer to?
And an agreement that if I manage to hit a non working coil again you will send the one that does work.

I THINK IT'S YOUR MOTOR OR SOMETHING ELSE?

QuoteI have tons of experiments I am waiting to do, mainly in the form of driving the generator by a belt (or maybe just isolating as the grass coupler did) and directing the aether into something other than the motor driving it.Please tell me the costs of you sending a coil verified to work at 400-500rpm and hopefully 6 rotor magnets as the one you recently tested and photographed did.]

I HESITATE TO CAUSE YOU TO INCUR FURTHER EXPENSE BECAUSE YOU MAY INDEED REQUIRE A DIFFERENT MOTOR - BUT I CAN'T BE SURE?

A RYOBI MOTOR WITH THIS COIL AND THE ROTOR YOU CURRENTLY HAVE WILL GIVE YOU RESULTS INSTANTLY BUT IT WILL COST $ 200 - 300 - MOSTLY IN SHIPPING COSTS. ULI MAY AGREE TO SHIP YOU ONE FOR $ 75 BUT DO YOU WANT TO WAIT OR PAY?

Thane

QuoteSadly Thane seems directionless, making a gee wizz dune buggy etc...

I AM GOING TO DRIVE MY DUNE BUGGY TO NEW ZEALAND AND KICK YOUR BUTT MISTER!
THEN ZAP YOU WITH MY AETHER - RAY GUN!

Thane

Quote from: CRANKYpants on May 19, 2008, 08:12:31 PM


NO I DON'T AGREE - SOME OF IT IS MEANT TO BE DISRUPTIVE AS WE HAVE ALL EXPERIENCED BEFORE - WHICH IS THE ENEMY OF INSTRUCTION.

Thane

Of couse you don't agree!  Crankypantses NEVER agree. Crankypants.

In my opinion nobody you crankypantsed at today deserved it. But you seem much more cheerful now.  Carry on.