For those that think it is only a chemical reaction:

Water has an atomic structure set in such a way that it makes it diamagnetic. This is a fact. When you add a diamagnetic substance between two magnetised objects such as two metal plates, there is not a chemical reaction. You are simply using water as an "insulator" or "dielectric" like a capacitor, and the electromagnetic interactions between the two metal plates have to pass through the water. The water helps slow the electromagnetic interaction and it actually builds up a collection of electromagnetic particles near the two plates. Much like a capacitor, but with "electricity" running both directions in the capacitor.

I think the hardest thing for people to understand is the FACT that every single object on Earth is electromagnetic.

Quote from: wattsup on May 26, 2008, 10:34:54 AM
You can get voltage through the meter at the mV levels you are talking about.

This was my thinking of what was at least partially responsible for the 'anomaly'.


@ One:

The effect you have noticed is an interesting one and one I was unaware of, and as such, I wanted to learn more about it.....

After a quick read about Ed - I see he had a 4th grade education and wrote several "booklets" on several subjects - one being the 'magnetic battery'.  This device is shown in several videos of being able to store an applied charge for a long time without degrading.  However, the device is very large and heavy, while being able to store only a very small charge. (a 3', 20 lb. device stored 1 sec. of charge for a small LED - not a very good battery)

Your application as a 'energy production device' rather than just a storage medium would be great - if it was practical.
Your idea of powering an electric car forever with such a device would appear impossible as it would seem to require a device the size of a large skyscraper.

I'm not sure what the addition of water to the mix is doing - others have posted possible scenarios.

I'm interested in further results/explanations of the effect....but at first (and second) examination, it appears impractical..

CH

@0ne,

It?s hard to see the simple real facts, isn?t it?

1. You place instead of the poor piece of paper (which ALWAYS contains moisture, in case I wasn?t clear enough above) a tiny sheet of real dielectric, like the cheapest one taken from a plastic garbage bag or similar. Then you?re welcome to come back and show me the voltage if you?ll ever get any.

2. Forget about magnets for a while; put back the paper you regularly use, place instead of magnet and holder two pieces of dissimilar metals (i.e. cooper and zinc or alluminium) and ADD MECHANICAL PRESSURE (That?s all your magnet does: it attracts the holder and create close contact through pressure). How do you explain the voltage now? It must be a well intricate ?magnetic current? since it manifests without magnets, isn?t it?

3. I?ve read several papers of Edward Leedskalnin. For his time, the man had a few ideas. Rudimentary ideas and concepts, nonetheless but at least he tried. For our time, it?s plain BS. None of his devices work. What?s the point?

Cheers,
Tinu

Quote from: capthook on May 26, 2008, 11:35:02 AM
This was my thinking of what was at least partially responsible for the 'anomaly'.


@ One:

The effect you have noticed is an interesting one and one I was unaware of, and as such, I wanted to learn more about it.....

After a quick read about Ed - I see he had a 4th grade education and wrote several "booklets" on several subjects - one being the 'magnetic battery'.  This device is shown in several videos of being able to store an applied charge for a long time without degrading.  However, the device is very large and heavy, while being able to store only a very small charge. (a 3', 20 lb. device stored 1 sec. of charge for a small LED - not a very good battery)

Your application as a 'energy production device' rather than just a storage medium would be great - if it was practical.
Your idea of powering an electric car forever with such a device would appear impossible as it would seem to require a device the size of a large skyscraper.

I'm not sure what the addition of water to the mix is doing - others have posted possible scenarios.

I'm interested in further results/explanations of the effect....but at first (and second) examination, it appears impractical..

CH

Thanks for your reply.

I do however want to correct you. Ed never made a "magnetic battery". He only made a "perpetual motion holder". It was his way of proving to the world that magnetic force is circulating perpetualy inside of metal. It was not only a "perpetual motion holder" but it was also a "electromagnet" and a "transformer". Yes the same device transforms "direct current" into "alternating current".

However, it was never ment to be a battery. Nor did Ed ever mention trying to hold as much charge as he could in it. Actually, in ALL of his tests with the device, he only TAPS the contacts of a 12v battery to load magnetism into the U loop. Which was enough to light a light bulb. He clearly says "you don't waste as much magnetism from your batterys when you use this method".

In his books, he clearly shows scientific experiments that you can do to prove that a U magnet looses some of its strength when a coil hooked to a light bulb enters the middle of the U. He then says the U magnet gains its strength back when the coil/light exits the middle of the U magnet. It proves that the magnetism is used to light the light bulb. It also proves magnets recieve extra magnetism from Earth's magnetic field. Ed also talks about how magnetic particles are lost and gained in normal magnets. This is why I talk about magnets having "breath", and "zero point energy", because they can reload energy. I started a funky thread about it, but it was way to foreign I guess.

anyway, you do not need a large size object, you just need more magnetism. so size is not impracticle.

I don't understand why you are talking impractability anyway, I am not marketing a product, nor am I displaying my Magnet Battery design for any type of product use. I am simply showing you a method that you may want to know about.

Quote from: 0ne on May 26, 2008, 12:01:13 PM

anyway, you do not need a large size object, you just need more magnetism. so size is not impracticle.

I don't understand why you are talking impractability anyway, I am not marketing a product, nor am I displaying my Magnet Battery design for any type of product use. I am simply showing you a method that you may want to know about.

Well, more magnetism requires more size.......(where to get an N5,000 magnet? )

And as to practicality - if a device doesn't do anything useful (ie. create useable power at a reasonable size)- what's the point?