Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[johnny874]

  @Wayne, can you ask Moondasek or what ever it is to quit preaching to me. he tells me all of my problems will go away when i put God first in my life as he says i have to follow you and him. If i wanted to hear a sermon on why people are special because of their relationship with god, I would go to church.
And I hope Wayne that one day faith will allow your machine to work.

[johnny874]

   Wayne@
  I will quit posting in here.
Your machine is not gratuity powered, it is mechanical. sorry, it is powered by gratuity, not gravity. my mistake.

[mrwayne]

The outer column is a tradeoff depending on how you want to use the potential energy stored there.  The amount of potential energy should be a constant based on how high the column of water is raised vs the volume of water.  The potential energy stored would be an integral calculation.  The question would be how to use it without unbalancing the total amount of water in the closed loop system?

The outer layer has a significant purpose at this stage of understanding the system -
The Last riser - the largest surface area - needs very little head to overcome the total weight of the risers - keeping that in mind -
The Pod is "also" used to keep the weight of the system neutral
The weight keeps the system in a precharge condition.

Now - in set up - you want the maximum usage of the pod,
a fully submerged pod at stroke is best -
SO to sink the system  -you only want to lower the water (head) around the pod enough to sink.
So if you will add ten inches of head to the pod in order to stroke - reverse that ten inches to sink -
Now the last riser is you adjustment - you can add or subtract the head (water volume in this case) in this layer to balance the system.
Just an example - if you use 2500 pounds of weight to keep the free flow pressure at least 5.0 psi - the pod itself will not neutralize the weight - just increase the head in the last layer - a tiny bit of pressure goes a long way when you have a large surface.
In our set up procedure - we over charge every layer - then lower the pod water level to the lowest operating point - then lower the water level in the last layer -until the system begins to sink, - or 5.0 psi is reached.
Set up is complete and matched to the weighted system.
Wayne



The weight - which is used to keep the air compressed (and head) -

[mrwayne]

The outer column is a tradeoff depending on how you want to use the potential energy stored there.  The amount of potential energy should be a constant based on how high the column of water is raised vs the volume of water.  The potential energy stored would be an integral calculation.  The question would be how to use it without unbalancing the total amount of water in the closed loop system?

In our early model - we had the water connected between systems - this resulted in a bad scenerio - where when one side was set up better than the other - the better side would end up pushing more water into the other side -
our solution was two seperate bodies of water - seprated by a dual sided cylinder - the cylinder cost $19,800 each - and so we went to the convoluted bags by firestone - for $900 each.
My point is - We are closed looped by energy - but each Z.E.D has its own water - and its Own Air - they do not trade sides.
This is where some of our energy exchange losses come from - we take some water out from the pod into the bag - and transfer that pressure thru a lever to pressurize the other bag - and then we add what more is needed.
Wayne

[mrwayne]

@mrwayne. That was a very useful post. From a first reading I have learned a couple of thimgs.


1. There is no disadvantage in bolting all the risers together as one unit. So that being the case, If the risers are being custom made, in a three layer system , we could fabricate the riser assembly from three concentric tubes and a single lid to which the 3 concentric tubes are welded/glued.


2.All the walls and the gaps are 0.2 inches . Therefore the volume of all the "pockets" of water in the system are not equal. This had been worrying me as I had this theory that they needed to be, and therefore gap widths would have to decrease as we moved from the inner layer to the outer. In a smaller model we could perhaps use gaps of less than 0.2, but precise construction would be essential. In this sense it is probably easier to build a large model than a small. But it costs more .


I keep thinking that model building would be much easier if we could find a supplier of plastic or thin wall metal tubing in a wide range of sizes.

We have fully modeled the gap - Or Volume equalitity - and the results were/are - that in a six layer system - equal gaps are just fine -
When you move to eight layers - then the fun begins - the expansion and compression rate to volume begins to mess with stroke length - so you adjust with the clearances.
Wayne