Alternate Fuel for Diesel and Gasoline Engines - 100% off the Bowser

[evolvingape]

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    RM
    Waste plastic is a monsterous Problem!
    Turning it into a resource such as a fuel woulsd be "HUGE"!

    The idea of setting up a supply line for recycling in this manner would be very appealing!
    The "Processer" and the troubles associated with it are the weakest link in this?
    IMO the place to start is there,get a good reliable "reactor" the rest will follow![This would be Oh so Cool!:=}

    BTW Mr.Goose
    I have to say That 50/50 bench mark you speak of [to start]
    Very Cool,
    I picked up Half a dozen old VW 1.6 diesels recently,Might play with a
    bit of "soup"!
    Have you got a "Recipe" to start the ball rolling?

    Thanks
    Chet


Chet

Wow...you guys are terrible.  :-)  You give me a hard time about not suggesting better ways for energy and now Im stuck in this thread LOL.

@ Evolving Ape - LOVELY design man...but dont reinvent the wheel.

I'm a big fan of RESEARCH and READING.  It may take many hours but aquiring knowledge is less expensive and more time efficient than building something in your garage only to find out that some fella has accomplished the same task 100 years ago.  Sadly, much of that goes on at these forums.

Chet, even though I gave you guys two choices right at the start (emulsifier or none OR bubbler),  whilst the chemical/organic emulsifier route has you burning water/oil alloy fuel much quicker (due to simplicity), I would suggest you go the route that Evolving Ape is looking at so you dont have the hassle of mixing emulsifier and any issues with residue in the engine.

We have already discussed a little on 'mechanical' means of agitating the water into a fuel oil emulsion but dont forget others options like sonic/acoustic cavitation.  No real moving parts and it uses minimal energy to mush the water and oil into a nice soup.

Here is a company that already sells units that are tried and tested.  Do we hear anything about this???  Hell no.  You can buy them to attach onto your furnace or under the hood of the car and they mix a minimum 35% water with oil.

Don't forget what I said about oil and water....the ratio is going to vary according to the type of oil you use and only testing will give YOU the guaranteed numbers.  Heavier the oil, the less you have to use.  It can be recycled out of a chip fryer it does not matter.  Just make sure you have run it through a basic fine filter to get all the 'particles' out.

Theres a lot of great second hand stuff out there that you dont have to build and can be 'cogged together' so as to achieve multiple purposes.  Small compressors, venturi tubes, etc etc.  Think outside the box and you will barely have to make anything yourself.

Have a look at this - http://www.3rdrockenergy.com/save.html

ElectricGoose

[evolvingape]

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Further along the lines of sonic cavitation....check this out from 1975.  Take a gander at the design - SIMPLICITY.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=cKSqa8u3EIoC&pg=PA89&lpg=PA89&dq=ultrasonic+fuel+mixer&source=bl&ots=A732pb4uI_&sig=x2v3cTTykNw95LVOUZ-_jKeHmk0&hl=en&ei=jqvHTYOXMczhrAfB9OjVBA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

This just shows what ultrasonic ATOMIZATION does.  The mileage improved 22 - 28%

  In this case it doesnt even introduce water....just imagine the mileage if it did!!!!!!!!

Ultrasonics within a enclosed space are capable of producing destructive cavitation and some companies use this to 'cold boil' water and oil together 'smashing' them into micron fine beaded emulsion far superior to that of a mechanical mixer.

Its all good!

ElectricGoose

[evolvingape]

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Hey Chet,

Yes this conversation is bringing up some very interesting directions to pursue...

You heard about all the plastic floating in the sea in what they are calling the dead zone ? It's supposed to be the size of Texas or something like that. This technology could turn all that plastic into energy and would be as simple as parking a few big generator ships in the middle of it.

The added beauty of this is that all the water you could ever want and the plastic are in the same place so I see no problems implementing this.

Mr Goose...

I am not trying to reinvent the wheel, I simply took the wheel that had been invented and made the variables customisable for the experimenter.

On another note you got me thinking, there was a project I was playing around with a few years back that utilised off the shelf technology that can be adapted to what we are talking about here.

This is my interpretation of the Paint Spraygun Water Fuel Atomiser Injection System...

As we can see there is a heat source and a saucepan full of water. The Spraygun paint pot is suspended in the water to prevent hot spots and is evenly heated by the boiling water.

Plastic is dropped into the chamber and then the chamber is sealed. The plastic melts and gives off oil vapour.

The pressurised water is connected to what used to be the air inlet. When the trigger is pressed the water flows over the venturi and oil vapour is sucked into the water stream.

This is fed to the atomiser for mixing and then goes off to the Injector Rail of the engine.

Is that simple enough for you ?

RM

Also, if you wanted to use the Stainless Steel Kelly Kettle as the heat source then you would never have to worry about fuel, you could use twigs off the ground.

http://www.machinemart.co.uk/shop/product/details/sp18c-spray-gun/path/spray-guns-spraying-equipment-air-brushes

http://www.kellykettle.com/Kelly-Kettles/Stainless-Steel-Trekker-Kelly-Kettle%C2%AE-0.57-Ltr-/-1-pint.html

[evolvingape]

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This is basically what Paul Pantone was doing in a different way, if we mix all this with hho, we can probably get something very good

TheOne

[evolvingape]

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Now lets take that whole concept one step further and nearly finish the picture of what a under the hood simple refinery is starting to look like my dear fellows.

Remember the World War 2 Gasifier that turns wood into gas that can be used on internal combustion engines???  Well Mr Evolving Ape....thats basically what you have there in your plastic recycler!!  Except, you have a far MORE volatile fuel (in plastic) that is still carbon based and will emit a more explosive fume than wood alone.

Please read up on actually what happens in a gasifier -  Moisture in the timber is crucial to the process

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasification

Heres a fella who stutters something awful and has made the crudest lovely gasifier from a paint tin and old can of bake beans -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mgu9BdHeUYg

Add water mist to this and we are now up to 100% recycling stakes, "goodbye to the bowser".  In fact you dont need ADDITIONAL water to run an engine with a gasifier, it is that volatile and efficient.  However because we are talking about recycling horrible plastic with all those nasty chemicals, you will want to 'wash' the fumes via the in cyclinder combustion, which will eradicate almost all of this.

I'm not sure how many of you know this, but there is a nice little refinery that exists in the States which runs off patented technology which turns ALL OIL BASED plastics/rubber/synthetics/etc back into refined fuel.  The entire plant is actually the largest OU device in the world because it uses its own fuel (from the recycling process) with ManyX more output of refined fuel left to sell back to the consumer.  Yet...where is this technology???  Why arent they making these plants for every City/Power plant/ vehicle???  Yeh...money of course.  Obviously we shouldnt be making plastic in the first place but until that day, these plants would be great to get rid of toxic landfill and Ocean pollution.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNcht2x4m8g

ElectricGoose