PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[hoptoad]

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Unfortunately, as a bl' f' non scientist, I'm not able to convert LUXs to watts. Is it possible?
I bet it is. I just can say that my measurements were something like:

With 3 (exhausted) AAA  bats. Input (under load) = 4 volts * 150ma.  LUXs out: about 240.
With a simple Joule thief and a single (strong) AAA bat: 1.5 volts (under load) * 12 ma. LUXs out about 120.

Now, first case.
IN = 4 * 150 = 2400 mW
OUT LUX = 240.
So, for one LUX you have to give 2400/240 = 10 mW

Joule Thief case:
IN = 1.5 * 12 = 18 mW. Saying 20 mW
OUT LUX = 120.
So, for one LUX you have to give 20/120 = 0.17 mW. Saying O.20 mW

20/0.20 = 100!
snip....

Even with your maths corrected to :

First case.
IN = 4 * 150 = 600 mW
OUT LUX = 240.
So, for one LUX you have 600/240 = 2.5 mW

Joule Thief case:
IN = 1.5 * 12 = 18 mW.
OUT LUX = 120.
So, for one LUX you have 18/120 = 0.15 mW

That's still a massive difference of power input per lux output between the two methods.

I do wonder however, if the led output in lux, is linear with power consumption.?

Interesting data you've presented, if accurate. You saying "my measurements were something like"
isn't quite as reassuring as saying : 'these are my measurements'

Cheers

[dimbulb]

The tesla switch really deals with velocity in relation to an open system.
The joule thief or blocking oscillator when used in a closed system arrangement can suffer from the ring down lag.
Take for example a radar blocking oscillator can do an incredible job measuring velocities.
This is after ring down lag has been corrected and this fix results in some insertion loss.

The current lagging the voltage perspective is true but not all of what happens.
We cannot be tied so closely to the oscilloscope that we overlook the field outside the circuit.


I experimented with this idea and found a  point of entry.  I corrected the ring lag and used varactor diodes
to adjust the resonance after some experimentation I noticed the location was above the diodes.
Hand capacitance near the toroid that was previously concidered the point of entry, I found it was tuning a detuned circuit,
however while the complete interaction with the toroid field is not completely understood it is communicating frequency.

This information should be of encouragement that straight coils are not the only inductors useful in energy harvesting.
As a suggestion the Xee2 efficient design adapted into a harmonic generator using diodes with step recovery charecteristic
may find better demonstration even going beyond self runner.

I expect you will be successful soon and would like to say that the science community will only concider this as a magic trick
regardless of proof and evidence the heckling and laughter (peer review)will be emotionally frustrating for a long time.

Reference: John Bedini, Ron Stiffler, David Ricketts
Tom Bearden, llya Prigogine, Theodore Hansch,

[NerzhDishual]

@Nul-Point,

Sorry about 4*150 = 1200.
It was just a trap to allow me figuring out if I was listened to and who were listening to me.

Actually, no! You are right! 
It was caused by this cheap French rosé in a 5 liters container. But, be assured, I did not absorbed all the container. This rosé should be very efficient because I calculated twice... I was vaguely aware that something must be wrong. Hence my conclusion.

Anyway, JTs are almost as efficient as rosé. Are they not? 
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@Tagor,

Merci mon cher Tagor, mais je ne connais pas le 'K' d'une LED.
Cela doit dépendre du type. Peut-être que l'image jointe pourrait être utile ?
Mon but était plus de montrer l'efficacité d'un JT que de prouver une quelconque "Sur-Unité". Cependant, merci pour votre aide.

Thanks my dear Tagor but I'm not aware of the Light Efficiency ("K") of one LED. It should be depending upon the kind. Perhaps the attached picture could be of any help? My aim was more to show the efficiency of a JT than to prove any 'OU'. Anyway, thanks for your help.
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@Hoptoad

"I do wonder however, if the led output in lux, is linear with power consumption.?"

I do not really know.
What I just can tell, for the moment, is:
'Over feeding' the small 'torch' should blow out the leds. But I can try with 4 AA bats or more strong 3 AA bats. Of course It must be dependant. Linear ?

Now, 'feeding' the JT with 2 AA bats does not (LUXs-wise) improve the JT efficiency. I have tried it.

You are just giving me an idea: to use a variable DC supply. I will try it.

About my "something like" measurements. I had not my notes (were upstairs).
I would assure a 10/20% error.
Yes, you could argue that It was a "rosé effect". It was not. This strange "rosé effect" only appears in calculations.

BTW, you could try it. Luxmeters are not so expensive.

I just wanted to see if there was a 'cheap' mean to figure out any efficiency.
I just can said that, IMHO, and also In My Humble Measurements that JTs are almost ten times more efficient than "brute force".

I just also have to repeat that my JT is a very simple one.

Very Best

[Pirate88179]

@Nul-Point,

Sorry about 4*150 = 1200.
It was just a trap to allow me figuring out if I was listened to and who were listening to me.

Actually, no! You are right! 
It was caused by this cheap French rosé in a 5 liters container. But, be assured, I did not absorbed all the container. This rosé should be very efficient because I calculated twice... I was vaguely aware that something must be wrong. Hence my conclusion.

Anyway, JTs are almost as efficient as rosé. Are they not? 
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@Tagor,

Merci mon cher Tagor, mais je ne connais pas le 'K' d'une LED.
Cela doit dépendre du type. Peut-être que l'image jointe pourrait être utile ?
Mon but était plus de montrer l'efficacité d'un JT que de prouver une quelconque "Sur-Unité". Cependant, merci pour votre aide.

Thanks my dear Tagor but I'm not aware of the Light Efficiency ("K") of one LED. It should be depending upon the kind. Perhaps the attached picture could be of any help? My aim was more to show the efficiency of a JT than to prove any 'OU'. Anyway, thanks for your help.
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@Hoptoad

I do not really know.
What I just can tell, for the moment, is:
'Over feeding' the small 'torch' should blow out the leds. But I can try with 4 AA bats or more strong 3 AA bats. Of course It must be dependant. Linear ?

Now, 'feeding' the JT with 2 AA bats does not (LUXs-wise) improve the JT efficiency. I have tried it.

You are just giving me an idea: to use a variable DC supply. I will try it.

About my "something like" measurements. I had not my notes (were upstairs).
I would assure a 10/20% error.
Yes, you could argue that It was a "rosé effect". It was not. This strange "rosé effect" only appears in calculations.

BTW, you could try it. Luxmeters are not so expensive.

I just wanted to see if there was a 'cheap' mean to figure out any efficiency.
I just can said that, IMHO, and also In My Humble Measurements that JTs are almost ten times more efficient than "brute force".

I just also have to repeat that my JT is a very simple one.

Very Best

I have only run all of my jt circuits on one single aa battery.  There is never any need to use more in my opinion.  You can light as many leds as you want (within reason) with a single aa.  My record is 400 although I know I could light many more, that was just all I had at the time.  It is unreal the amount of light you can get with a "dead" aa battery.  This is why I have always called them "free energy" devices because I get all of my dead aa's from my friends and family.  They would have thrown them away but yet I can get many, many hours of light from them.  So, I guess it is more like "free to me" energy.  But, with 1,000 volts you can light up a lot of things. (Jeanna's circuit JT)

Bill

[nul-points]

@Nul-Point,
[...]
Actually, no! You are right! 
It was caused by this cheap French rosé in a 5 liters container. But, be assured, I did not absorbed all the container
[...]

Very Best

so... le vin c'est pas fin?

sounds good to me - as long as there is at least '2400' ml remaining! 


the Lux meter also sounds good to me - i hope you can use it do some more comparisons

i've tried using an opto-isolator for power comparisons between DC & pulsed o/ps, but there is always the issue of the overall frequency response of the device - the Lux meter might be a better way to go


BTW  one should never have to apologise for simplicity - only complexity! 

a plus tard
np


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