PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[nul-points]

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IMHO: Names are not innocent/insignificant and Hecate seems not to be
a "cool" Goddess. Hence the differings (that are over my head, BTW).
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your posts are always an education, Mr Dishual !

the ancient stories of Hecate (or Hecat, as Shakespeare apparently refers) have passed me by in my many decades of ignorance

however, if we were to add some 'Power' to her name, then she could have enjoyed being called 'Hepcat' - the very 'Queen of cool' 

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepcat


keep on keeping us 'on our toes'

a plus tard

[NerzhDishual]

Hello NP and People,

As far as I can see, Mr Nul-Point(s) has not lost his legendary humour and his
strong musical inclination.

It sounds like that speaking about Hecate (or Hecat) has cut this thread off...
Hecate is also the Dark Moon and one of the keyword about "it" is "cutting".

Now, to be more 'light', musical and also on our toes  :
What Tau Sounds Like. (BTW: TAU = PI *2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3174T-3-59Q
A must see vid for any musician (IMHO)...

Very Best

[dimbulb]

to itsuseable,
I would think a comparator would measure the light output.

[JouleSeeker]

Greetings.  I've gone on to a much higher-power device that I'm testing, discussed here (where I'm "PhysicsProf"):

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/8999-peter-daysh-davey-water-heater-query-55.html#post174647

From mW and uW with the circuit of this thread, to hundreds of watts...  Resonance is still in play!!

I find that my friends from this this thread have also studied this type of "sonic boiler" or "Davey device", especially Nul-Points and Nerzh.  Just curious -- why did you stop working on the Davey device, friends?  Would you reconsider?

I welcome comments you have.  This topic is "heating up" with the work especially in Serbia by Prof. Savic and in Sweden by DaemonBart.   It's difficult to keep up with all forums, but I will try to respond to comments here.  I have posted first detailed measurements; see below.


________________________  from the EF forum posting; also discussion at overunityresearch.com.

OK, I have some first results from my sonic boiler (call it SBSJ1) set up, as shown in photo attached.

   I will show my method for determining Pinput and Poutput and the results, and invite comments on both.

  I have a CEN-TECH P3 "Kill-a-watt" meter that displays KW-H to 0.01 accuracy.  I ran this P3 meter with a load until it just turned on the display to 0.05 KWH.  Next I ran my SBSJ1 device until it reached boiling (which stirs the water), stopped registering the time elapsed with a stop-watch, 62 seconds.  I quickly measured Temperatures inside the inner bell and between the inner and outer bells using an infrared temp probe and took an average Temp.

I let the sbsj1 cool (to 98F) and ran a second time with the same measurements, and this time the P3 turned to 0.06 KWH, so I stopped the run there to take measurements, 31s.  The total elapsed time was 62+31 = 93 s.

By using the P3 JUST AS the reading turns to a higher value, increasing by 0.01KWH, I believe the accuracy is quite good, probably within 10% with this method.

Consider a 100W bulb for 1 hour = 0.1 KWH.  Thus, 0.01 KWH in 1/10th hour = 6 minutes = 360 s.
Here in my experiment we have 0.01 KWH in 93 seconds, so the power is more than 100W, and I calculate:
Pin = 360s/93s X 100W = 387W.

Next, to calculate the output power, first I calculate the heat-energy Q calorimetrically, using the Temp-rise in the water.
Q = Cg X m X (Tfinal - Tinitial).

For the first run of 62 s, Tfinal - Tinitial = 147Fahr - 83F = 64F = 36Celsius temp rise.
For the second run of 31 s, Tfinal - Tinitial = 145F - 98F = 47F = 26Celsius temp rise.


Here, Q = 4.18 [J/g-C] X 125g X 36C = 18810 J for the first run, and
     Q = 4.18 [J/g-C] X 125g X 26C = 14120 J  for the second run.
Total heat measured, Qtotal = 32930 J in 93 s, so
Pout = Q/total-time = 32930J/93s = 354W.

Which is less than Pinput.

Finally, I calculate the efficiency n = Pout/Pin = 354W/387W = 0.91   Not surprising -- no attempt at tuning for this baseline run.


Any comments on the method or the results? 

PS -- the outer bell has OD about 65 mm and the inner bell about 39 mm.  See photo.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Hello again Professor - and compliments of the season.

I see you've been busy debunking this new claim.  Well done.  I was reasonably satisfied that you'd rally. 

Sorry to move a tad off topic here but I've been trying to reach you.  I wonder if you could send me your email address.  My own is ainslie@mweb.co.za.  I forwarded an email to Poynty and asked him to please notify you.  You see I've asked that you and he also attempt to debunk our own claim as I believe we're strong contenders for your prizes and we're rather anxious to get this assessed.

Do let me know.  I've taken the liberty of evaulating your own prize contribution - and am not sure that it'll entirely cover the cost of this 'evaluation'.  Poynty hasn't replied to me.  Not sure why.  Possibly he's just not able to debunk as he's fairly familiar with our circuit.  And that means that he's denial of over unity in ours and other experiments will be shown to be entirely fallacious.  Possibly he's concerned that this may lessen his credibility somewhat.  But I know that your own impartiality is such that you will more likely want to engage.  I do hope so.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary Ainslie