Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[wattsup]

@gotoluc

What's do'in.

Since Thane loaned you his BiTT transformer coil that has the three coils. S1-Primary-S2. Consider this.

Take one secondary and call it a primary. The other secondary is your 1st secondary. The center primary is your 2nd secondary or your main output. Now if the two original secondaries are wound identical, maybe consider removing 1/2 % (or less) of the winding from the new primary. Or just try this as is for now.

So you now have Primary-Main Output-Secondary.

Now pulse the primary to attain the secondary resonance and check that output and see what the output is on the Main Output. The idea here is that if the primary is pulsed to the secondary resonance, it will be consuming very little energy making it easier for the secondary to return its output back to the primary. Now if at the same time the Main Output can produce juice, well, well, you may have a winner.

Actually this general idea came to me while working on the SM TPUs as I think this is the base idea of how it works, except in the SM TPU I am trying with a core of insulated baling wire and is also the output. So in my present tests the core is used to transfer coupling energy from primary to secondary plus also giving output itself. lol

I had prepared the image below a few days ago but waited to post it because I thought it was not the right moment. I am very curious to know what the resonant frequencies are on the BiTT as we know Thane only runs the thing at 60hz.

Maybe one other note on MOTs.

The second image I had done in 2008 to show how to grind one of the top laminated welds that permits you to just pry off the top laminated section with a good side hit using a hammer. Now if you had two identical MOTS, you take one of them and remove the top laminate. This proves that the top laminate block is only held there with the welds and that the metal lamination plates are not inter twinned with the other vertical laminate sides. So if you take this cut MOT and now secure the cut end against the top block of the second complete MOT, this will give you a MOT with two primaries and two secondaries. Of course this is not a BiTT replication but it does give you so many other ways to drive it like putting both primaries in series, etc, etc. Actually the cut MOT could also be used as a pick-up coil when using rotating wheel magnets.

Besides that, hope everything is well in Camelot.

wattsup

[Overunityguide]

I WILL REQUEST (AGAIN) THAT YOU USE YOUR GENERATOR OUTPUT AS THE INPUT TO YOUR MOT   ... YOUR INDUCTION MOTOR IS OPERATING AT 950 HZ BUT YOUR GENERATOR MUST BE AT ABOUT 2700 HZ OR SO.

I JUST THINK THIS WOULD A COOL VIDEO  ...

CHEERS
T

Dear Thane,

Today I have tried to speed up my motor generator a bit more... But unfortunately I come across some practical problems when doing this...

My biggest problem when trying to run this setup on higher frequencies is that above 150 Hz going to my normal induction motor the rotor slip becomes too big. So above 150 Hz my rotor goes out sink and after a while results in a total dead stop of my rotor...

Although this phenomenon could be expected, because each induction motor has its own U/f characteristics. Which means that at higher frequencies the frequency drive controller must supply a higher voltage.
(this to compensate for the stator coils impedances)
But in my case the highest possible voltage to drive my motor with is 240V and this upper limited value is reached at 50 Hz. Which means that at 150 Hz, my controller still is supplying 240 Volts. Where in this case it has to be 720V to stay on the same torque figures...

So to conclude, the highest possible value to run my motor generator with is 150Hz, which will result in 450Hz coming from my generator coil. So you see the 950Hz (direct from my frequency drive controller) is still the highest frequency for which I can test things on...

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

[CRANKYpants]

Dear Thane,

Today I have tried to speed up my motor generator a bit more... But unfortunately I come across some practical problems when doing this...

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

DEAR O.U.G.

WHEN EDISON WAS WORKING ON THE LIGHT BULB HE WAS ASKED BY SOMEONE (PROBABLY A REPORTER) IF HE WAS JUST WASTING EVERYONE'S TIME AFTER 10,000 TRIES. HE SAID, "NOT AT ALL WE HAVE SIMPLY IDENTIFIED 10,000 THINGS THAT DON'T WORK."

SO UNLESS WE ARE WILLING TO TRY (AND FAIL) WE CAN'T REALLY KNOW FOR SURE WHICH IS JUST A DIFFERENT FORM OF SUCCESS.   

NICE TRY ANYWAY AND FOR TEACHING US ALL SOMETHING NEW. 

CHEERS
T

BTW - WHAT IS YOUR NEXT PROJECT/VIDEO THAT YOU ARE GOING TO DAZZLE US WITH? 

[CRANKYpants]

@gotoluc

Consider this.

Take one secondary and call it a primary. The other secondary is your 1st secondary. The center primary is your 2nd secondary or your main output. Now if the two original secondaries are wound identical, maybe consider removing 1/2 % (or less) of the winding from the new primary. Or just try this as is for now.

So you now have Primary-Main Output-Secondary.

Now pulse the primary to attain the secondary resonance and check that output and see what the output is on the Main Output. The idea here is that if the primary is pulsed to the secondary resonance, it will be consuming very little energy making it easier for the secondary to return its output back to the primary. Now if at the same time the Main Output can produce juice, well, well, you may have a winner.

wattsup

HELLO WATTSUP,

CAN YOU USE THE FOLLOWING DRAWING SUPPLIED BY TESLASET TO SHOW THE PROPOSED FLUX PATH ROUTES... THAT YOU ARE PROPOSING IN YOUR PROPOSAL TO LUC?

IE TIME = 1 PRIMARY FLUX
TIME = 2 SECONDARY FLUX ROUTES

CHEERS
T

[wattsup]

@CRANKYpants

Wow, you are asking something pretty tricky since this had not been done yet. Your tests were done with AC but this proposal is to try DC pulses, hence the same direction and also not only at 60hz but at much higher frequencies to attain resonance levels that your AC tests would never have seen.

But I gave it an educated shot to show flux path leaves the top of the primary and goes two ways, one up and one towards the center core where you have the Main Output Coil (MOC). The flux to goes down into the secondary coil and exit that coil one towards the primary and two towards the center core again.

What I am thinking is when you start the pulsing, it will take some time for the core to ramp up so you should see a gradual increase of output on both the Secondary and also on the MOC.

The secondary should show a DC output waveform. This is all theoretical but the MOC should show a totally different waveform closer to a very dense AC or double DC or + and - DC waveform. I had hoped someone would try your BiTT coil with DC for a long time now and hopefully @gotoluc will have a chance to do some experiments. There is no rush.

Also, @gotolucs 2Mhz limit should me high enough to reach some resonance levels since the now Primary has many winds.

One thing though about DC pulsing in wound coils. The tests can be done with the coil as is but you can also try pulsing the primary with any other type of coil in series to the primary coil and see what the differences are. If my hunch is correct, you should see more output from the secondary and the MOC when another coil is in series with the primary. In this case the primary should be on the pulsed side. The reason for that is complicated but it would be a good test just to show the differences. We can always get into the whys afterwards. The series coil should have at least 50% or more of the primary inductance.

Ahhhhhhh. What a great weekend and Monday off. More time to work on the bench. lol

wattsup