Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

[teslaalset]

OUG, Thane,

Can I propose the following measurement procedure to get precise figures on Power Factor and COP:

Attached power vectors include VAR and Watt measurement.
If I am not mistaken, the power meter of OUG should be able to measure VARs as well.
It's important to include VAR measurements to understand the overall picture.

Six situations, depicted in the first graph:
1) Controller only, high frequency (A)
2) Controller only, low frequency (B)
3) MOT connected to controller, no load, low frequency (C)
4) MOT connnected to controller, no load, high frequency (E)
5) MOT connnected to controller, load, low frequency (D)
6) MOT connnected to controller, load, high frequency (F)

A and B are measurements to check the controller power without the MOT connected, B at low frequency, A at high frequency
(I suppose they have different values)
C and D are measurements at low frequency only, C is to check no load power, D is to check power including load
E and F are measurements at high frequency only, E is to check no load power, F is to check power including load

Most important values to understand correctly are E and F.
As you can see in the below depicted example, first picture, F has a lower Watt value as E, due to the reduced Lenz impact, while with C and D no decrease of the Watt value can be observed.

The second illustration indicates possible scenarios for the PF of the MOT at the high frequency situation. F₁, F₂ and F₃ indicate power under load in this example.
(PF < 0 is very unlikely to happen, but necessary for MOT COP > 1)

Just to make everyone aware who watched Overunityguide's Youtube videos sofar:
In none of his measured situations PF < 0 happened, so no COP>1 !!
Nevertheless, great series of demo's.

[CRANKYpants]

Hello Thane,

I will get back on this next saturday.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

DEAR OUG,

IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THOSE ANSWERS BECAUSE WE HAVE 3000 CONNECTIONS ON LINKEDIN AND ABOUT A THIRD OF THOSE ARE TRANSFORMER COMPANIES. ANOTHER THIRD ARE GENERATOR COMPANIES AND MANY WIND GENERATOR ENGINEERS AS WELL.

MY POINT AGAIN:

IF WE TAKE A CONVENTIONAL WIND GENERATOR DESIGN OPERATING AT 950 HZ AND WE CAN STEP UP THE VOLTAGE TO THE GRID WITH A "OUG DELAYED LENZ TRANSFORMER"

AND THEN ANOTHER "OUG STEP DOWN TRANSFORMER" AT THE POINT OF USE IE THE CONSUMER'S RESIDENCE - THEN WE HAVE A;

COMPLETELY REACTION FREE ELECTRICITY DELIVERY PARADIGM WHERE ONE WIND GENERATOR CAN SUPPLY MANY MORE HOUSES WHICH ARE ALL ONLY BORROWING REACTIVE POWER.

OUG, YOU NEED TO CHECK IF YOUR TRANSFORMER WORKS IN REVERSE AS A STEP DOWN TRANSFORMER ONCE YOU GET BACK FROM YOUR BUSINESS TRIP...

EVEN IF IT DOESN'T (STEP DOWN) IT IS STILL POTENTIALLY A VERY VIABLE COMMERCIAL PRODUCT - WHEN YOU CONSIDER THAT A COMMERCIAL WIND TURBINE PLACES ITS TRANSFORMER IN A SEALED FIRE PROOF ROOM WITH AIR CONDITIONING AND FIRE SUPRESSION EQUIPMENT AT GREAT EXPENSE ALL BECAUSE OF SECONDARY INDUCED BEMF INCREASING THE PRIMARY CURRENT AND HEATING UP AND EVENTUALLY BURNING UP THE VERY EXPENSIVE TRANSFORMER PRIMARY. 

CHEERS
Thane

[ramset]

Saturday!??
So what are we supposed to do till saturday??
Anybody have some "Cards"?
Maybe we could Play Pee Knuckle ??

Do we even work on Saturday??

Chet

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc,

When you started the MOT transformer tests with a neon bulb load across the secondary and no capacitor across the primary, you wrote the transformer primary inductance was about 68mH.
Then you started using parallel caps across the primary and gradually came down from the 4-5kHz no cap test to 2.45kHz (C=0.39uF), then to 578Hz (C=6.8uF), then to 250Hz (C=37.4uF) and now to 115Hz (C=165uF).

By checking these data pairs with the resonance formula the primary inductance of the trafo used for these tests comes out as 10.8 to 11.6mH range, this is rather far from the 68-76mH you seem to be aware of you have primaries.

The tuning cap for 60Hz in case of the 68mH primary coil should be around 103.5uF and in case of a 76mH primary coil it would be around 92.6uF.

IF you have got a 11mH primary only (taking this average value from my above calculations), then the needed tuning cap for 60Hz would be around 639.6uF, a huge value indeed. 
So a primary inductance check is in order?

One more thing: why do not you use your 7.5H ferrite core coils for these tests? (just to save you from winding transformer...)

Gyula

Hi Gyula and anyone interested

I found out why your Resonance Calculations are not working out with the Primary Inductance I gave.

Your Calculations are Correct if you don't have the MOT Secondary under Load. However, as soon as the Secondary is under Load it shifts the Resonating Frequency to a much higher Frequency.
All my prior tests were done with the Secondary under load so this is why we have a difference.

I made a video Demo just for you so you can see what happens. I also attached the Scope shots below.

Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJcojjksVeU

In all Scope shots Current is Green and Voltage is Yellow

Fist Scope Shot is MOT Primary @46Hz with Secondary Open and No Cap on Primary
Second Scope Shot is MOT Primary @46Hz with Secondary Open and 60uf Cap on Primary
Third Scope Shot is MOT Primary @46Hz with Secondary Shorted and 60uf Cap on Primary
Forth Scope Shot is MOT Primary @195Hz with Secondary Open and No Cap on Primary
Fith Scope Shot is MOT Primary @195Hz with Secondary Open and 60uf Cap on Primary
Sixth Scope Shot is MOT Primary @195Hz with Secondary Shorted and 60uf Cap on Primary

Hope you now understand what is happening. I would also like to know what you think or know is happening. Could this have anything to do with OUG Lenz Delay effect?

Thank you for your time and please feel free to ask me any other experiments you would like me to do.

Also, last nigh I wound a Primary over top of the 7.5H Toroid coil. The New Primary has a 135mH Inductance. I tested it and found nothing unusual form 1Hz to 2MHz. All was Normal Transformer action. So there is something quite different in the MOT that could be caused by the Iron core or the High Impedance Secondary.

Luc

[CRANKYpants]

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