Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity

[AlanA]

@ MoRo
Ok, it is clear that the bicycle is a setup to show the principle. But for me it is not clear there is an energy surplus. So I asked for the measurements.
What is makes so remarkable too is that the rotation of the bike does not stop where it delivers movement of the toolbox.

[MoRo]

@ MoRo
Ok, it is clear that the bicycle is a setup to show the principle. But for me it is not clear there is an energy surplus. So I asked for the measurements.
What is makes so remarkable too is that the rotation of the bike does not stop where it delivers movement of the toolbox.

I Agree.
But it won't be easy. And it will probably carry through a number of post. But here goes...

Step 1 - The Fly Wheel:
Conservation of Energy says if I put energy into an isolated system it will stay there forever, AND I can only expect to get that same amount of energy back out before it returns to a 0 energy state.
So, if I put 10 jules of energy into a given mass for acceleration then I can expect that mass to obtain a certain speed and maintain that speed until I introduce friction or other outside influence. Once friction is introduced, then after I have lost the 10 Jules, the mass will have no motion.

The bicycle wheel and the sockets on it are not an isolated system.  So, they lose energy or decelerate constantly, even during the acceleration period. This is the case even when the center is restricted from the bidirectional movement in which we intend to extract energy from the centripetal forces that are created under the centrifugal activity of the mass.

The losses are due to:
  1. Air resistance
  2. Resistance at the bearings

However we can STILL determine the rate of these regular losses if we restrict center movement and we know:
  1. The (total mass) in orbit
  2. The (radius) of the orbit
  3.  The (speed) or (rate of orbit) at any given point in time.
From that point in time we can determine how many  Jules of potential energy the mass has, because we will know the mass and the speed.

An isolated system would hold this energy state forever, but if we then calculate:
  4. The (total time) from (maximum energy state) to (zero energy state) the we will know the (rate of loss).

Once we know the (rate of loss), then we automatically will know how much energy I must put into this restricted system to maintain it.

Also, from all of the above, we should be able to roughly calculate the (centripetal force) required to maintain a perfect orbit over the centrifugal mass.

And remember force, even centripetal force, IS a measure that takes Jules into consideration.

After all this, we can take some other measurements.

I will try to take mass measurements in the best way that I can but I should be able to use video frame rates for timing references.

Do you agree to all of this so far?

[AlanA]

@ MoRo

Thanks for you detailed explanation.
You have also written that you want to make some measurements. That would be great because I am convinced from your bicycle setup )

[SkyWatcher123]

Hi folks, Hi moro, thanks for sharing your work.
My brother in law has a fling sock throw toy that he brings over sometimes and it is very easy to use this pendulum action to fling the toy very high and very far with very little effort, so I know exactly what your speaking of here and when i was a kid, i tied a string to a match box car and it went so high and far, i could not believe it.
Though my brother in law can't figure out why he can't find his toy any where anymore for sale, i tried to explain that control freaks don't want people thinking about that toy and getting ideas, though that cannot kill an idea, it is impossible, thank god.
Matthew Jones made something similar to this moro, think he called it the bouncer, it also has a full pendulum rotation.
I can imagine a small model of this with those shake led lights type method to take power off of and if the voltage is not so great, we can use one or many joule thiefs to light leds to show greater power out than in.
Would be a cheap way to prove it and provide some bathroom light, for now, hehe.
peace love light
tyson

[MoRo]

Hi folks, Hi moro, thanks for sharing your work.
My brother in law has a fling sock throw toy that he brings over sometimes and it is very easy to use this pendulum action to fling the toy very high and very far with very little effort, so I know exactly what your speaking of here and when i was a kid, i tied a string to a match box car and it went so high and far, i could not believe it.
Though my brother in law can't figure out why he can't find his toy any where anymore for sale, i tried to explain that control freaks don't want people thinking about that toy and getting ideas, though that cannot kill an idea, it is impossible, thank god.
Matthew Jones made something similar to this moro, think he called it the bouncer, it also has a full pendulum rotation.
I can imagine a small model of this with those shake led lights type method to take power off of and if the voltage is not so great, we can use one or many joule thiefs to light leds to show greater power out than in.
Would be a cheap way to prove it and provide some bathroom light, for now, hehe.
peace love light
tyson

Hello Tyson:
Tanks for the appreciation.  I had some time ago made videos of a simulation based on Matthew Jones' Bouncer. Thanks to you, I am reposting them for all to see (see below).  The one thing I could see wrong with the bouncer was that the frame was too heavy... The lighter the mass of the frame, the more centripetal push you free up for energy conversion.  But yes... The Bouncer is a very nice peace of work!

Here are my videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Bl9Ld4310

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaQ7H0UKF94

Enjoy
MagnaMoRo