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[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen so lets do that,lets take 2 standard oxygen electrodes from the textbook...

@EOA - So does that mean I get a cite?

any complaints?

Other than the above and the fact you're the first person I've met who says "from the textbook" to mean "From no textbook that I'm willing to tell you about..." which is awesome(ly stupid).

i got you by the balls now you cant escape this one.

Dude, as I said earlier if you really have an iron-clad argument then the best thing you can do for it is actually cite the text you're talking about.   You seem to want to imagine that I'm actually trying to get out of arguing about this.  Are you really that stupid?  When Lumen can't answer a question he just drops out for a few weeks.  I've been here for a hundred posts or so.

I don't really care if I'm wrong - I'm probably not and you are likely forgetting something or using some special definition of "runs forever".  For me reloading this site every morning is like reading a "joke of the day". 

(Somewhere your high-school textbooks are crying: "EOA EOA lama sabachthani?")

[profitis]

@sarkeizen so how would i go about citing say, a zinc-carbon cell,s lifespan,or a lithium ion cell,s lifespan.easy,i just point to the rules and calculate.applies to any battery.a textbook doesnt know the differences in size of batteries so they give us a set of rules and we apply and calculate lifespans @sarkeizen.we calculate.calculate.on paper.what, you think im trying to be funny?we calculate the lifespan of ALL batteries man dont be silly.we calculate them with a calculator.we calculate them with a calculator powered by a cell that wont fail us halfway between calculations.ive cited the rules now get a-calculatin man.you mentioned schoolbooks right so use them to CALCULATE.in the real world its calculations that matter.if you want me to calculate for you i,d be willing to assist.no citation from any schoolbook will give an exact date of expiry im afraid,sorry man,but they will help us calculate it :-).thats what i meant when i said 'textbooks tell us that it runs forever'.they help us to calculate expiry dates so we gonna calculate ne!?by the rules ne?ima help you.

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen so how would i go about citing say, a zinc-carbon cell,s lifespan,or a lithium ion cell,s lifespan.easy,i just point to the rules

@EOA - so again, does this mean I will get a textbook cite.  So far you have cited no rules.  Just one forty-word definition which was not very helpful and you absolutely refused to clarify.

a textbook doesnt know the differences in size of batteries so they give us a set of rules

A textbook doesn't "know" anything - it's a book - just in case you haven't read one.

Your implication doesn't really hold water.  You claim that virtually any electrochemist knows how to construct a battery that runs ETERNALLY and there's not even a footnote to this effect in any text?  Even in a world which is constantly looking for better battery technologies?  No discussion of the cost-effectiveness of building a device with a battery that runs out vs. one that NEVER EVER WILL?  No use case of where ETERNAL batteries are useful?  No statements anywhere about what the practical limits of a particular technology are? Even university physics textbooks mention discuss RTG's, solar cells and crystal radios in these contexts and none of those are true "perpetual motion machines" like you make your eternal batteries out to be.

what, you think im trying to be funny?

Of course you are, you type so carefully and deliberately badly.  It's difficult to believe you aren't trolling.

ive cited the rules

Wrong.  The only thing you have cited is exactly, and precisely forty words off an internet site.  Nothing at all about calculating anything, nothing from a textbook, virtually nothing at all.

Which is what your argument is so far.  Pretty much zero.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen well if you bothered to seriously hunt for karpen-crapster info you wouldve seen quite a few documents,not footnotes but documents,scattered around the net giving much more detailed technical surgergy than i have here.documents from well established institutions from various countries(russia,china,india)all ending with a giant question mark over the 2nd law.and thats a good question you asked,why dont these analysis documents appear in textbooks,or even on crackpot freenergy-websites for that matter,why so underground,mm.anyway i dont want to post any of them here as i dont want people jumping ahead of my own research(i think i just found the reason why they remain underground) but i,l give you this table on the properties of platinum: nature.berkeley.edu/classes/eps2/wisc/pt.html and if you check near the bottom it says that platinum wont oxidize in air at ANY temperature and it wont react with mineral acids(sulfuric,nitric,hydrochloric) so im going to trust that 2 chunks of platinum sitting in a sealed glass of airated epsom salts solution(good for piles) are going to remain pretty permanently stable for uhm,eternity.i dont know about you but i trust that info.other batteries internals change with time(self-discharge)but not this one.