How To Build A Bessler Type Wheel

[johnny874]

Great initiative.

There is a problem with the layout you have attached: I cannot access it. (It downloads as 0 bytes)

Thanks.

Edit: ah just saw you had trouble attaching it.

Once you have your schematics I´ll try and make a WorkingModel.

    AquariuZ,
Do you think you could make something like the attached pic ? Even with only two levers, I think it would help.
The lever on top left would fall and hit the hub. The one on the bottom right would drop and close the pump.
What I'll be building will actually have a tube running all the way around the wheel. And when each section
closes, it will pump water or other fluid upwards.
With this design, the 8 knocks people heard would be possible. And with a different lever performing work, then
how the wheel could maintain it's imbalance might be understood. I have had difficulty trying to explain tis idea,
anything you do would be much appreciated.

                                                                                                                                   Jim

[johnny874]

@alk.
on wednesday I wijl upload some drawings I have done.
The last one will be what the first pic should have been.
What I posted maintains the link with Bessler.

                  Jim

[AquariuZ]

Hi John,

I prefer to wait until wednesday until I have a clearer picture of what you are trying to achieve.

I like the idea of a fluid being pumped, but that begs the questions:

Do you think Bessler used fluids? Pumps? How about springs?

I´ve spent many a day and night on WM models that looked promising but in the end turned out not to work in real world due to friction issues. (Like Abeling most likely - that´s why in the end he wanted to use a completely glass structure).

It´s always friction.

[johnny874]

Hi John,

I prefer to wait until wednesday until I have a clearer picture of what you are trying to achieve.

I like the idea of a fluid being pumped, but that begs the questions:

Do you think Bessler used fluids? Pumps? How about springs?

I´ve spent many a day and night on WM models that looked promising but in the end turned out not to work in real world due to friction issues. (Like Abeling most likely - that´s why in the end he wanted to use a completely glass structure).

It´s always friction.

    AquariuZ,
  This is the basic mechanics I'll be using. If a lever has a 5:1 ratio, then a
1 pound weight will generate 5 pounds of force (capable of moving 5 pounds).
If the water or fluid being pumped weighs 1 or 2 pounds, then obviously there
is / should be extra force.
What I like about it is where the extra weight (water or other fluid) is. It would
always be where it creates the most force, on the outside of the wheel.
  This would mean that 1 pound of water if it is 2 feet from the center of the
wheel would have 2 foot pounds of torque. And as an example, if a wheel weighs
20 pounds, would it be sufficient force to rotate the wheel ?
Spelled everything out for people not familiar with SAE standards.

Back to your questions AquaZ, I think something like this has a lot of potential
and in one of Bessler's drawings, he showed an Archimedes pump. Pictograph ?
Maybe.
With springs, Webby1 came up with an idea I like. The way he used springs was
to maintain tension. That is something that could help the movement be more
precise like in a pendulum clock.

                                                                      Jim

edited to add; the second drawing shows about where the fluid would be. Between the
moveable inner boards and the moveable outer boards.

[AquariuZ]

Jim,

It looks rather complicated (as in: I do not get it).

I´m looking into something with clutches right now which might interest you.

This has been bugging me for days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODf49HtCNj0

What do you think?