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Overunity Machines Forum



My Invention

Started by johnny874, August 11, 2012, 10:59:31 AM

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johnny874

Quote from: zoelra on August 18, 2012, 12:22:08 PM
Since both pendulums are tied together in a way that their positions along their respective paths would be the same (that is they drop at the same time and reach the bottoms of their swings at the same time) their CF would fight each other and the net down force would be 0 at all times.  There wouldn't be any force to produce or sustain the rocking motion.  That is if I am looking at the pictures correctly.
Rick,
If the angle of the cross bar is 10 degrees and the pendulums swing 30 degrees from perpindicular to gravity, that gives
about 1/3 or more (possibly over %40) the distance from the fulcrum to the bob as over/under balance. This would mean that for every 1 foot the bob's are from their fulcrum's, that the center of balance from the cross beam's pivot is shifted a minimum of 4 inches.
A simple test would be to connect the 2 weights. And have something hold what's connecting the weights to one side and see if the cross beam doesn't tilt downward ion that direction.
As the diagram shows, as the cross beam tilts, what ever is used to hold the weights shifted will need to be curved. for a basic test, even a board and a bolt would work.
  One thing I like about 30 degree angles is that at 1 meter from the fulcrum, a weight would lift/drop 13.4% while moving laterally 50%. One reason why pendulum's are so efficient.
                                                                                                                       Jim

edited to add; if the pendulums only swing 15 degrees, this would still shift the center of balance about 20% the length the fulcrum's are from their bob's. And if you have 10 lbs. at 3 feet and the bob's are on rods 2 ft. long, then the resultant shift in force is about 6 lbs.did some quick math so it will be off a little. but I think that would be enough to tilt it one way before letting the pendulum's swing in unison to shift the balance the other way and have another approx. 6 lbs. of over balance.
If the math is right, then it would be a start and in the thread on Milcovik's pendulum, in over 10 years no one has been able to take it perpetual. Then again, they've never tried something like this.

                                                                                                                                  Jim

johnny874

 the shift in force would be about 6 ft. lbs, and not 6 lbs.
It might be possible to shift the pendulums even more by using the momentum from the cross beams tilting motion. This would increase their swinging motion to hopefully account for entropy.

johnny874

  Rick,
If you're interested in working together on the 2SO or what I'm trying, send me a pm
to many hecklers in here.

johnny874

  @All,
Have started the build. I will be using unconvential techniques because things like bearings and bushings won't be used.
  If I can, I will use veneer to improve it's appearance.
Not sure if I'll be posting any more. Only someone interested in building would find it's construction interesting. And that would be because they would want to have a better go of it.
     Jim

johnny874

  @All,
Will have to change the design. What I found is I could possibly
have 1/2 inch pound of force for an over balance on one side. Going the
other way, it would be about 1 1/2. I'll need to go over the numbers some more
to see if I can get a better balance.
Still, have been considering if a small Bessler wheel would work. If nothing else,
I would have a model to show what I've been talking about. *Until I get something
built to put to the math...

And for the trolls, sometimes having someone else building makes it a little better.
After all, this build costs about $10 and this is an overunity forum. Not sure why that
would bother some people unless...