Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[Cadman]

I think there is only one method regardless of the device and a lot of ways to conceal the concept in order to claim it is different. No one inventor is willing to spill the beans because it will become obvious they all work from the same basic method.
  An endless list of devices and an endless amount of effort to make different looking devices with different smoke and mirrors to explain the way it works without explaining anything of importance.

Doug, I couldn't agree with you more. It's all a variation of a theme.

The generators and alternators like Figuera's and all the others work on the same principal; magnetic induction. At the most basic level it takes X amount of wires induced by Y amount of varying magnetic force per second to produce Z output. Every mechanical generator ever made uses an implementation of this fact and if the amount of wires and magnetic force is sufficient you get a working generator, provided you use the right materials in the right shape and proportions, and abide by the laws of induction.

On a different subject, I think this thread has gone way off track. Who is actually trying to recreate the Figuera device, besides myself?

[Doug1]

I think about it all the time and do nothing other then work on it in my free time. I did have a set back in sourcing magnet wire locally so I drove 900 miles each way to re-establish my source from years past so I could buy it in bulk at a much reduced price.
  I don't report until there is nothing left to learn or know. I do know one thing there is no violation of physics laws in this. If your own interpretation is correct then the math will have no exceptions and the way in which you return a portion of the output back to the origin will make sense and be easy to understand.Then you will begin to see how other devices/patents worked and how they applied smoke and mirrors to hide it. You will also be able to hack and alter known forms of generators to the same effect.Some will think it is not smoke and mirrors because intent is harder to prove then ignorance.In the end it is merely opinion.
Don't be so surprised over silence, people take breaks to clear their heads of what did not work before formulating another method to try. I personally do not think the core or its shape are that important as long as all the processes are able to work with in a given design. I went through the hopegirl gen papers and picked out really quick where the designer failed to mention some important details that would keep it from working as hoped. I have a little bit of suspicion that the person who brought it to the public is not the one who originally figured out the concept. He may have seen one some where and made a number of wrong assumptions in reconstructing it based off what he saw and what he can remember of what he was told and is looking for some well to doer to fix it for him.

[Cadman]

We seem to be on the same track, basically, even so far as a source for wire which is still a problem for me. I would use the term obsessed by this generator to describe myself.

As for returning a portion of the output for reuse, the solution to this seems obvious. As the excitation current required for any generator is a small fraction of the output, all that should be required for the Figuera gen is an isolation transformer on the output and rectification back to DC, to be used by the exciter motor and transformed through the commutator back to 2 phase AC then re-fed to the inductor coils. I cannot see any reason why this method will not work. There is just no way the watts consumed are greater than the output even after adding in all the other normal losses.

Where you and I differ is that I believe the core and shape are just as important here as they are in a normal generator or alternator. But perhaps that is due to different designs.

Are you getting positive results in your efforts? Your words seem to indicate so.

[marathonman]

This link was posted by Hanon on another thread but i think it is very relevant to figueras device and was very informative.(THANKS HANON)
A simple lecture table demonstration of the pure B x V field is illustrated in Figure 8. Two short similar bars magnets are spaced apart as shown. Midway between them a long, straight insulated wire (surrounded by a grounded conducting shield), perpendicular to the paper is fixed with its terminals connected to a sensitive galvanometer placed outside the immediate vicinity of the magnets, say overhead. The resultant magnetic flux density B from the two magnets, at the wire, is zero by the principle of superposition. If the magnet on the left be given a slow uniform velocity V and the one on the right a velocity V' equal and opposite to V, then one will note a deflection of the galvanometer needle due to the pure induced B x V field acting in the wire. Note that in this simple experiment we have two sources of B x V. Both the B and the V of each source are identical in magnitude but opposite in direction; therefore, since B x V = (-B) x (-V), the products are both positive and additive. The movement of one magnet alone will be found to yield a galvanometer deflection of half that obtained when both magnets are moved simultaneously. Note also that the wire is always in a region where B = 0, but where B x V is present and active.

One of the most fascinating aspects of our discoveries is that by the use of the phenomenon of superposition of fields, electromagnetic induction can seemingly be separated from magnetic flux energy. In other words, our all-electric motional electric field generator operates without the presence of detectable magnetic flux energy as such. It is a non-inductive device. The magnetic flux intensity has been reduced to zero by the principle of superposition, and the virtual undestroyed field associated with uncancelled flux is still active and present; hence, the name "virtual" is used to describe it. It is this virtual field which produces the pure motional electric field in the space surrounding the generator. This newly discovered pure B x V field is the most unique phenomenon known to electromagnetism because it is devoid of the electrostatic and magnetic field characteristics we have hitherto known. It is a B x V field with the resultant B = 0. Its immunity to shielding gives it a stature and a character of its own, beautifully unique and isolated from all hitherto known special fields! Our generator produces nothing but this pure previously unknown field!
Doesn't this sound like figueras device... no secondary core at all just coil.

[Doug1]

Cadman
"There is just no way the watts consumed are greater than the output even after adding in all the other normal losses."

Not if you did it right.

I will let you know when I'm done as stated before. Its the chicken or the egg. You cant answer questions if your working and you cant work if your answering questions.