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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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bajac

I am amazed with people still insisting that the N and S labels of the electromagnets shown in the Figuera's 1908 patent were not meant to be North and South magnetic polarities. Since the beginning and way before Figuera, the standard polarities of electromagnets have always been 'N' for North and 'S' for South. How are we supposed to advance in figuring out Figuera's patents if we do not accept something as basic as the polarities of electromagnets? If Figuera meant to have equal instead of opposite poles, then, why do his patents show N & S? Figuera would have to be very dumb to label the electromagnets N-S when he meant S-S or N-N. It is just non-sense! To label electromagnets with N and S for magnetic North and South has been the standard for so long and it is so obvious that there is no need to call them out explicitly.


Why would Figuera have wanted to risk the possibility of losing his patent rights or the cancellation of his patents? If Figuera had wrongly described his invention, it would have been a justified excuse for competitors to manufacture the correct version of the invention without paying royalties to Figuera. We need to clear our heads and get back on the right track.


Just as a curiosity, how many of you think that the N and S shown in the Figueras patents were meant for magnetic North and South?

bajac

Quote from: marathonman on November 23, 2014, 03:50:36 PM
Hello all,

It's good to be back among the living and working.
this is off topic but i am working on a rotating ring dynamo that i converted to motionless using electromagnets with the timing board similar to figueras timing board used by Patrick. board is finished waiting for Two more pay checks to order core material.
here is pic of ring dynamo.


Marathonman, it is nice to see you back!

marathonman

Thank you both:
Hanon my design is not based on Figueras design... like i said (off topic). i just wanted to convert a rotating Dynamo to motionless to see if i can. Sorry!
i don't have enough info to proceed any further until there is a breakthrough with Figueras but i am following the thread. i am just as confused as i was when i started.
Pretty board huh!

hanon

Hi all: 

I divide my post in two parts. The theoretical part may be arguable. The experimental data are real results from my tests.

THEORY:  In this thread there are many points of view, I am just offering my interpretation of the Figuera patent. I am just telling that Figuera did not use the words "NORTH" and "SOUTH" explicitly in the 1908 patent. He just called "RECTANGLE N" and "RECTANGLE S", as he could also have used "rectangle A" and "rectangle B". For that reason I was copying literally those paragraphs in my previous post, in order that each one may judge for themselves. Patents have a legal background, therefore if he did not use the words "north" and "south" then the patent is protecting all possible pole orientation. Which one is the fair configuration? I am not completely sure, but I bet that he used the electromagnets in repulsion mode and he just moved back and forth the fields.

EXPERIMENT: I had been testing some configurations. I have tested the configuration with poles in repulsion mode (North-North and South-South), and between them I put two induced coils perpendicularly, as represented in the attached picture and the attached sketch. I powered the system with AC (12 V)

I can tell you that the input consumption was not altered when adding a load in the induced coils, nor when I shortcircuited the induced coils. This a good starting point. I got under-unity results, I mean, the output power was lower than the input. But the importat fact is that input power (12VAC, 0.18 A) did not increase when having a load in the induced coil. Period.

This is a simple test which may be replicated in minutes by anyone. Please post your results if you decide to replicate this simple test.

nelsonrochaa

Quote from: hanon on November 24, 2014, 05:25:38 AM
Hi all: 

I divide my post in two parts. The theoretical part may be arguable. The experimental data are real results from my tests.

THEORY:  In this thread there are many points of view, I am just offering my interpretation of the Figuera patent. I am just telling that Figuera did not use the words "NORTH" and "SOUTH" explicitly in the 1908 patent. He just called "RECTANGLE N" and "RECTANGLE S", as he could also have used "rectangle A" and "rectangle B". For that reason I was copying literally those paragraphs in my previous post, in order that each one may judge for themselves. Patents have a legal background, therefore if he did not use the words "north" and "south" then the patent is protecting all possible pole orientation. Which one is the fair configuration? I am not completely sure, but I bet that he used the electromagnets in repulsion mode and he just moved back and forth the fields.

EXPERIMENT: I had been testing some configurations. I have tested the configuration with poles in repulsion mode (North-North and South-South), and between them I put two induced coils perpendicularly, as represented in the attached picture and the attached sketch. I powered the system with AC (12 V)

I can tell you that the input consumption was not altered when adding a load in the induced coils, nor when I shortcircuited the induced coils. This a good starting point. I got under-unity results, I mean, the output power was lower than the input. But the importat fact is that input power (12VAC, 0.18 A) did not increase when having a load in the induced coil. Period.

This is a simple test which may be replicated in minutes by anyone. Please post your results if you decide to replicate this simple test.

Hi Hanon ,
Very usable your test .
Can i ask if you see any type of increase in the magnetic field perpendicular to main coils ?
Did you consider try to connect the main input coils in bifilar mode and pulse them?
Based in some tests that i did , i think you can achieve best results pulsing the main coils with DC at higher frequencies that 50hz .
I make some tests that can be usable to you .
one more time very thanks for your work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQM_Zg-R8LI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXRjGMCBAh0




Thanks for your work.