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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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marathonman

I'm not trying to be mean but what the heck have you two been smoking.  reread your own post sober then post again.
Lenz is a prediction.... OMG !  i must of laughed for 10 minutes .
not only that we now have an expert on Ring Dynamos who's info is off by a mile. speaking of a mile, we are now building a Figueras devise the size of Manhattan.
and here i thought i was building it to power my house......{SILLY ME}

antijon

Well, I was rereading the patents to try to get more information.

@Hanon, how many times have you read about a switch in the device?

In the image, which I'm sure we're all familiar with, is something that's never been discussed. This cylinder may actually be a switch, similar to a commutator. I remember that Tesla used these in some of his high frequency patents. The triangle commutator shapes allow the brushes to be slid up and down the cylinder to adjust the timing, or duty-cycle.

In reference to the engineer report found here: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf
Quotewhich consists essentially of a series of inducer electromagnets combined with a series of electromagnets or induced coils, a switch and comprising a brush or rotary switch, which makes contact successively on  the series of fixed contacts and get a continuous variation of the current flowing through the coils of the inducer electromagnets, developing in this manner a current in induced coils.

Also, quote from "Key Parts of Buforn Patent No. 57955" found here: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/Bf_1.pdf
QuoteThe way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it, because we will just have to interposed between a pair of electromagnets N and S, which we call inducers, another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed so that either both opposite sides of its core will be in to hollows in the corresponding inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced and inducer and in contact by their poles, but in no case it has to be any communication between the induced wire and the inducer wire.

And finally, a quote from Figueras 1908 patent, found here: http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/patente_1908.pdf
QuoteAs seen in the drawing the current, once that has made its function, returns
to the generator where taken; naturally
in every revolution of the brush will be
a change of sign in the induced current; but a switch will do it continuous if
wanted

Starting with the Buforn description in the second quote, the coils will be arranged as three inductors with poles all facing each other.

S=Inducer=N  =Induced= S=Inducer=N

Note that when he says "core" he's referring to the coil of wire. Basically, they are arranged as a typical generator, two electromagnets outside of the armature. When he says there should not be any communication between the induced and inducer, I can only think he's referring to a shunt or series DC generator that directly uses the current to power the field magnets.

So I've simulated the output based on this coil configuration, including the commutator and resistor set and inserted the switch before the commutator. If the switch was active during normal operation, and powered by DC, the object was to change polarity of the input somewhere in the revolution of the commutator. The only option here is to change polarity when the commutator is at the center of the resistor. This would have the effect of reversing the magnetic field, simulating a rotation, and producing an AC output.

If the switch was removed, and only + or - DC was being fed to the commutator, a pulsed DC output would be produced. As referenced by Figueras quote.

I think what's important here, when trying to build a static generator, is that we recreate all of the parameters of the device. If a typical generator is examined, it's static mirror is a typical transformer, which does not produce the same effect. We must also consider the fact that a generator includes a variable inductance.

If Figueras generator simulated a variable inductance, it may be when the one coil is decreasing and the other is increasing. When the currents are equal and opposite, the magnetic fields would oppose each other, and this may create a sense of reduced induction in the induced coil. If that's true then we can mimic his concept without using his commutator and switch.

marathonman

Aw what the heck, you guys don't believe in my work so why not throw more Gasoline on the fire.
Here is Buforn's 1914 Patent.

antijon

@marathonman, I don't know what your problem is. I don't agree with your idea, I think it's unworkable. I said this the first time you mentioned it. Is this some kind of popularity contest for you?

marathonman

Well antijon i really don't know what your problem is either except being completely closed minded. whether you think my device will work or not is not my concern. i too think your Ideas were ridiculous but i said nothing in this forum about it.
i am taking the Dynamos of Figueras time and working with those parameters... no more no less.
you keep trying to over complicate thing by adding this and adding that. fairy dust here fairy dust there, in the long run you will have accomplished    nothing but a non working device.
as in your popularity contest, i could care less about anyone who like me or don't. i am here for one reason and one reason only to solve Figueras Device. so quite being a baby and lets figure this thing out.

start by working with the tools that Figueras had at that time ie... late 1800 early 1900 dynamos and go from there. study the winding technics  and material used.....ect ..ect. this is what i did and that is what i came up with and when my material come in i will build it and "IF" it doesn't work i will rearrange it until it does. his first devise had no or little Lenz but it did have Magnetic drag. so he took it and made it stationary to eliminate the Magnetic drag this is well known from his Patents. so that means he took a rotating Dynamo made it stationary to eliminate drag then separated the cores to eliminate Lenz effect all while using Electromagnets, then varying the currant to mimic the effect of the magnets approaching and departing the output cores. there for by keeping the electromagnets center lined the output core are always in the sweat spot of magnetic peak.
this Device is suppose to be simple so please lets try to keep it simple.
PS. Figueras used 100 volt 1 amp not 12 volt.