Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[marathonman]

antijon: I would just like to point out that NO WHERE in the Patent does it state that they are North and South just Sets of N and S. this is being so over looked it's not funny.
"would produce equal and opposite currents which cancel... or simply no current at all."   this is exactly why Sets of N cannot be all North and Sets of S cannot be all South. the set S is of opposite polarity to Set N and in order to produce large currants each output coil has to be of opposite polarity. this is a fact that can not be Denied nor over looked.
and also you keep saying that my proposal won't work because it is at 90 degrees well it worked fine when it was in a ring Dynamo so why would it not work here.
that's like saying a peanut is not a peanut because it's not in it's shell..... sorry it's still a peanut no matter how you look at it.

[hanon]

Watching closely the canadian patent I think it can not work with the induced coil as it is drawn in the patent figure. Note that one part of the induced loop is transversed by a magnetic field in the direction between poles N----|-----S while the second part of the induced loop is also transversed by a magnetic field  in the same direction N----|-----S  , being "|" the symbol for the induce wire. In one case the induction is producing a current upwards, while the second case the current is downward, which is non-sense. In this case both effect will cancel each other and the net result would be zero.


It must have a different winding that the one drawn in the patent. This is why I think that figures in patent are many times used to misguide, being the text (claims) the really important part of the patent . The patent just claims that the induced coil is placed between electromagnets: one half between two poles (let´s say N----|----S) and other half between other two poles  (let´s say S----|----N) as I attach in the figure below drawn over Figuera´s sketch. I tend to think that it were the case in Figuera patent the two induced coils should be placed in the thick part which surrounds the electromagnets cores up and down. I see two possibilities (see below)


The canadian patent is badly redacted because the claims are so ambiguous that you would not get any protection even if the device had really worked.

[antijon]

A ring Dynamo is moving.  It's a whole different thing. It works because the coil sees a flux and changing inductance over time. Dude, I'm not here to argue, I'm just here for the science.

@hanon, I agree completely, but there is a way that the patent can work as stated. I can't draw it out right now, but if you can imagine the flux moving across the wires individually, it's feasible.

[antijon]

Hanon, this is the action I was referring to. The square and small circles represent the coil. The lines represent the external field. I'm just saying it may be feasible. I think the field induced by the coil would also have some effect though.

[marathonman]

Quote from Hanon: Watching closely the Canadian patent I think it can not work with the induced coil as it is drawn in the patent figure. Note that one part of the induced loop is traversed by a magnetic field in the direction between poles N----|-----S while the second part of the induced loop is also traversed by a magnetic field  in the same direction N----|-----S  , being "|" the symbol for the induce wire. In one case the induction is producing a current upwards, while the second case the current is downward, which is non-sense. In this case both effect will cancel each other and the net result would be zero.
you are right in your assumption  but what if while one side was taken high N|S the other side was taken low N|S this would reverse polarity on one half of the coil. each electromagnet N|S acting in unison, like a push pull kind of thing ??
i have even thought of the Figueras Device in this manor.