Big try at gravity wheel

TinselKoala · March 01, 2014, 02:23:37 PM

I'm glad you can see the similarities. Now if I could only get you to think seriously about the automatic bollard...

So, anyhow.... the point of the Beer and Johnston reference was really to get you to see just what MarkE's analysis of LarryC's spreadsheet is based upon and what Mark's contribution, freely given, might be worth in actual dollars. I figure that he has already donated, freely, thousands of dollars worth of consulting time to examine and correct the errors in Paid Employee Engineer LarryC's spreadsheets. Why Mark is donating his time, knowledge and engineering expertise to Travis's operation is puzzling me a bit, I must say, but I'm glad he's doing it.

Like I've said before, Travis seems to be following the Steorn script almost exactly to the letter, even including the "secret" forum, the solicitation of free outside help to solve the "problems", and the changing goalposts with multiple new variations before the old "working" variations have been analyzed properly. The old ones are put aside in favor of the new, better ones that will be arriving soon. I'd really like to see some diagrams and data from a "rotary, flat packable Zed" that we should be buying at Ikea right about now.

mondrasek · March 01, 2014, 03:12:57 PM

Quote from: TinselKoala on March 01, 2014, 02:23:37 PM
Why Mark is donating his time, knowledge and engineering expertise to Travis's operation is puzzling me a bit, I must say, but I'm glad he's doing it.

I like to call it HBO. Help a Brother Out. People do it all the time. What, you wouldn't hold a door open for someone who has their hands full? Of course you would. And you do. And it is greatly appreciated when you do. When you don't, and you can, then you are just being kind of an asshat, right?

TinselKoala · March 01, 2014, 06:23:08 PM

Quote from: mondrasek on March 01, 2014, 03:12:57 PM
I like to call it HBO. Help a Brother Out. People do it all the time. What, you wouldn't hold a door open for someone who has their hands full? Of course you would. And you do. And it is greatly appreciated when you do. When you don't, and you can, then you are just being kind of an asshat, right?

That would be the case when he helps _you_ out, and perhaps to a lesser degree Webby. But when he "helps" LarryC out, he is working for Travis for free, and that ain't right, IMHO, but if he wants to do it that is of course up to him. I just think he should be justly compensated for it. After all.... look at what Travis gave Webby, and for what.

MarkE · March 01, 2014, 06:49:09 PM

Quote from: TinselKoala on March 01, 2014, 06:23:08 PM
That would be the case when he helps _you_ out, and perhaps to a lesser degree Webby. But when he "helps" LarryC out, he is working for Travis for free, and that ain't right, IMHO, but if he wants to do it that is of course up to him. I just think he should be justly compensated for it. After all.... look at what Travis gave Webby, and for what.

There is help and there is help. If one wants to unwind a story, sometimes there is no substitute for legwork. If anything, all I have done is to give these guys a taste of what an expert witness could do to them if they get sued or prosecuted. There was talk of a lawsuit at one time. I don't know if they have resolved that with a settlement or not. If there is value to them in what I have done it is not towards realizing a working machine, since that is impossible. It may be in recognizing how readily an expert can show their claims as so ridiculously false that there is no credible ignorance defense. Nor is there any viable obfuscation defense. A good expert will simply cut through all the hand waving and reduce the problem for the trier of facts to Wayne Travis'/HER/Zydro's false claims of getting free energy from lifting and dropping "rocks".

The astute observer will note a few things:

LarryC's spreadsheet shows under unity for the ZED.
LarryC's spreadsheet does not integrate F*ds. Nor does it even attempt to do that.
LarryC's spreadsheet calculates the input energy as essentially two linear quantities:
Half water density times ( Pod water height change from start to ready to start times the sum of pod and riser annular ring volumes at the start and ready to start values ) And
Half water density times ( Pod water height change from ready to start and end time the sum of pod and riser heights at the ready to start and end values multiplied by the pod chamber area)

In other words the spreadsheet asserts that input energy is: an average pressure value calculated across multiple column volumes multiplied by a change in height. This does not reflect proper integration and yields dubious values, much as LarryC obtained when he was initially so thrilled with his erroneous evaluation of the 0+3+3 versus 1+2+4 example. LarryC thought that he was somehow getting something for free in that example, when nothing of the kind was true, as shown when the correct math was applied as corresponded to the actual physical circumstances.

A couple of interesting things to me about all of this are: Wayne Travis insists that LarryC knows all about the supposed magic free energy technology, and LarryC insists that he is abundantly qualified to analyze these sorts of machines as he says others are whom he works with at HER / Zydro. So, why is it that the work is fundamentally flawed? Why does it remain fundamentally flawed after the major problems have been pointed out multiple times? Everyone makes mistakes. Competent people recognize and correct mistakes especially when they have been pointed-out. So, is this a problem where no one at HER/Zydro knows how to calculate energy? Or is it a problem where no one at HER/Zydro wants to calculate energy in their alleged free energy generating system?

TinselKoala · March 01, 2014, 07:15:44 PM

One thing that is important to realize is that the people working for Travis are carefully selected, both "selfselected" and by Travis himself. In the first case, unbelievers just aren't going to pay him any attention. That eliminates about 99.99 percent of engineers worldwide. In the second case Travis undoubtedly indoctrinates those who self-select into his flock and those who prove impervious to the ...er.... soaking won't be sticking around. So one winds up with positions still unfilled after all these years, and folks like RedSunset and LarryC who seem bright enough but are inexplicably wrapped around the Zed idea. Some people believe that Muhammad flew on a magic horse from Mecca to Jerusalem and back one night, too, and they'll kill you to defend that belief. Self selection is a powerful way to build a cadre of sycophant supporters.