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Red_Sunset

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 15, 2015, 07:10:26 AM
An excentrical flywheel (vibrator driven by a motor) has absolutely nothing to do with the state of weightlessness of a pendulum's bob!

This is another wrong statement. At the turning point of the bob there is nothing. No weight, no centrifugal force, no centripetal force. The bob (even if a few tons) hovers in zero gravity for a moment in time. And essentially that's the kick when swinging in a children's swing.

Then how do you explain the principle of work of the Finsrud and the Milkovic devices? They are proven to generate OU.

As we can see, the magic fortunately does not disappear. :)

Zeit,

It looks we have some crossed wires,
I agree,  the vibrator has nothing to do with the pendulum, but the moving pivot has.
What was the issue ? the topic was a bending bar !.  The weightlessness of the bob is not the focus, because that is not moment when the bar was bending.  The bar was bending when the bob is at maximum velocity as it passes the vertical.  Only at that point do you have a bend bar and displaced pivot, only that displaced pivot point (bending bar) was of interest and in focus.

The Finsrud and Milkovic are an other chapters for discussion, I didn't go there.

Red_Sunset

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: Red_Sunset on May 15, 2015, 09:16:25 AM
The bar was bending when the bob is at maximum velocity as it passes the vertical.  Only at that point do you have a bend bar and displaced pivot, only that displaced pivot point (bending bar) was of interest and in focus.

So then what's the problem? Bending that bar and releasing it needs energy. Where is that energy coming from?

Assuming there is no friction, then if we release the bob of a pendulum at height X, it will swing exactly to the same height X on the opposite side, regardless whether the beam with the pivot bends or not, because it does not matter whether the path of the bob is exactly circular or not.

Physics


MarkE

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 15, 2015, 12:20:05 PM
So then what's the problem? Bending that bar and releasing it needs energy. Where is that energy coming from?

Assuming there is no friction, then if we release the bob of a pendulum at height X, it will swing exactly to the same height X on the opposite side, regardless whether the beam with the pivot bends or not, because it does not matter whether the path of the bob is exactly circular or not.

Physics
The ball never becomes weightless.  At its apogee the ball's velocity reaches zero.  At the bottom of its travel the acceleration is zero.

Zeitmaschine

Quote from: MarkE on May 15, 2015, 02:16:24 PM
The ball never becomes weightless.  At its apogee the ball's velocity reaches zero.  At the bottom of its travel the acceleration is zero.

Strange. The ball goes into freefall (accelerating at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s) after reaching its apex (although a minimum of deflection occurs already at the beginning) and to the best of my knowledge a body in freefall is weightless.


Red_Sunset

Quote from: Zeitmaschine on May 15, 2015, 03:05:25 PM
Strange. The ball goes into freefall (accelerating at a rate of 9.8 m/s/s) after reaching its apex (although a minimum of deflection occurs already at the beginning) and to the best of my knowledge a body in freefall is weightless.

Zeit,
I am getting somewhat confused by diverging pointers
Lets recalibrate, I understood that the topic was "what energy is causing that periodic bending of that beam? Does God know?" 
Expand on your reasoning why we land up with "a bowl and one olive" and the weight thereof. 
How can we translate this to the bending beam & possibly free unaccounted energy? 

Can you expand your logic somewhat to make better sense of where you are intending to go.

Red_Sunset