Company,s that doing research in magnetic gravity in Europe?

[umit]

Hi Gyula

My project is not the one that u showned.
There are many sketches and theoreical build constructions what seems to work, but actually when building one, it fails.
My project is build by steps and achived it with much luck.

To answer your question, i need to build it from the sketch, to be honoust i not want to do that.

In Overunity.com are many interested people, that can helpyou out with answers.

Why not making one topic of it, and see what answers comes out from it!

Kind regards,
Umit

[conradelektro]

Why should I openly showing things, or announcing things, are you mad?

@Umit: I am using your threat to discuss a very interesting phenomena in the OU world. In a way it is about you because you are strongly exhibiting this phenomena. But I see this phenomena almost in all threads where a so called "OU invention" is alleged. So please, stay cool. I know, it is not polite to do this to your thread and to you. But this phenomena is so very wide spread that it should be discussed. And yes, I have nothing better to do at the moment, sorry. And I apologise if I again say something about you (implicitly) which you did not say (explicitly).


The phenomena is: Why should i openly show things, or announce things, are you mad?

This sentiment is of course the motivation behind all patents. It is the general feeling of many people in our capitalistic world, that every idea worth something should be used to make money and therefore has to be protected by a patent or by keeping it secret.

I accept that and do not want to condemn capitalism here. But let's analyse this sentiment in an OU context.


My opinion is:

Yes, please be so mad and openly disclose your OU invention.

The reasons (according to my may be mad opinion):

1) If you really have invented an OU machine the implications will be staggering (it will be a world changer). Most rules we have now will be obsolete. Your personal fate will be totally unimportant compared to the changes which would overcome us. Nothing will be as it used to be. Politically we will have a total new arrangement of powers. So, whatever plans you have, they will be obsolete. Just try to survive by sharing your OU idea with people of good will. (Attention: I am not of good will, so please do not share your OU idea with me. I am a vile and super greedy capitalist eager to make money even from children and old grand mothers. And I do not expect a world changer, so stay calm, nothing will happen.)

2) If you made a conceptional or logical error you will know very soon if you openly share your invention. This is the most likely case and you will spare yourself a lot of money and grief by discussing your idea openly.

3) If your idea or invention is just unconventional (not really OU, but shows something not known so far) it is also good to share it openly, because you could gain recognition and money by writing a book or making presentations. The big problem is credibility. And you can most easily gain credibility by discussing your idea openly with as many people as possible. There will be no products for a long time, because your idea or invention has to be developed into something useful and you will not be able to do that alone. Also a single company can not do that alone. Only over a long time, after many people have tried your idea or invention, there will be progress and belief in it. All great inventions took many decades to catch on.

4) A big missconception about patents is that one can protect "principles". A "principle" is a discovery: a new law in nature, a new connection between forces in nature or even a new force in nature. One can not protect a "discovery" with a patent, only "devices" based on a discovery can be protected. One can build a million different devices based on a new discovery and there will be a million patents based on a new discovery. And how many of these million patents will be your patents?

So, this is why I believe in sharing a great invention openly, specially if it is some "principle" not known so far. This opinion is not popular, it even causes outbursts of rage if I tell it to OU inventors (or other inventors). In science it is done like this. Scientists always publish their findings and they gain recognition if their findings are confirmed by others.

I am not talking about "conventional inventions" (inventions that stay within conventional science and knowledge). So, for "normal inventions" (containing no contradictions to conventional wisdom), please go and file a patent, please go to companies and try to make money to your hearts content.

But if your idea or invention contradicts conventional science (e.g. by claiming or insinuating OU or by claiming an effect not known so far) please share it with everybody for the above four reasons.

I believe that unconventional ideas can be best promoted (even with personal gain) by discussing them openly. And this shows that I have a very positive world outlook.

Greetings, Conrad

[Liberty]

Dear Conrad

Again you make your own statement about me what is wrong.
Please focus on the treath.

I am searching for one company that  HELP with providing materials and place to extend the duration of my project,

Second we spoke only about steorn, and the people i wrote aboute is just to let know that i am familiar with the OU world.

Third, i never asked help from you to fill a patent, so no apolagize, also i did not ask anybody for this in my treath, just sincerely asked if someone knows such company,s.

4, i not say i want patent it in first place,

Again you turn up the things what actually spoken about.

Why should i openly showing things, or announcing things, are you mad?
Thank you again, for your honoust but wrong statement.

Please. if you have nothing to do, bother someone els with your false and self made statements.
And stay next timeon track,instead of taking your time to write a whole story,
take your time to read First the story.

Kind regards,
Umit

Hello Umit,

I admire your stand to not just give away openly your design or go the patent route.  I have done the same thing.  (In the USA, they won't patent a device that is very efficient or OU.)  I too am in the same position as yourself.  I have several devices that have "great claims", and great potential, but do not want to openly give away the design to others without a financial interest to help out the project.  I think the people that want to know about the device, need to have an interest in keeping it secure until it can be manufactured or carefully leased or licensed out.

I have a suggestion for you and your project.  Do an internet search for crowd funding.  You can set up a page that investors can look at that gives them a chance to invest in your project.  Read the fine print at these different sites because they are different, some being much better than others.  These sites make money when you do.  Some let you keep the money, even if you don't make your fund raising goal, while others don't.  Again, read carefully the rules of the funding site.

I have done this on my own web site www.dynamaticmotors.com , by putting a donate button on the page for those interested in giving to help the project of the inventor.  The disadvantage is that I may miss some investors that don't look at my web site.  You can do a similar thing on a crowd-funding web site to find funding for your project to help you.  I hope that this helps you and your project. 

Also, instead of a patent, you might consider making your project a trade secret.  In my country, I understand that a trade secret costs nothing, except for a lock and key for your plans and you can't reveal the critical knowledge of your device in public.  In the US, you can still license your plans through contract and confidentiality agreements.  You just have to carefully pick those you reveal your plans to that can be trusted and are willing to invest in your project.

If you decide to open up your plans, you the inventor will get nothing for all your efforts.

Best wishes,

Liberty
Dynamaticmotors.com

[umit]

Hi Liberty

thank you for the information,

This little information do help me a lot, and i will look at it for sure.

I know, that many people, like the 1 in my treath, is very negative, and force with the nagativity to show openly my project.
If i ask him for his bank details, bank card and pin,he will for 100 percent refuse to give me, it is the same, asking me openly to announce my investment to lose everything with it.

You do good, you made your own website, and working on your project, keep up the good thing, i realy hope you having the breaktrough,and make it production worthly.

Kind regards,
Umit

[umit]

Conrad,

I dont know what to do, cry or smile.

Dont blameme for your failures,and dont react it on me.

You are evry time repeating and repeating the same thing with no logic and only negative in the same way.
Please dont write anymore in my treath, it make it only more full,and creating almost no space for the ones that are positif.

Create your own topic with, Why i am negative about OU, and why do i not respect other people when the ask to move on.

This will be a very good topic.
Not only me but many more will give you some advices to change your personality.
Thank you and,
Kind regards,
Umit