Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2

[Low-Q]

I'm not trying to be a party killer here, but feel that I need to input some realism 


Norman, you are right about your observations of magnets. These observations are the same for everyone, and magnets does not change how they work depending of how a person wants them to work. Magnets are magnets, and they give a damn about the engineer who have a vision of perpetual motion or excess energy from permanent magnets. No discredit to Floor - because curiosity and engineering moves the world forward, but also creates proves of failures so we don't repeat them over and over again.


However, to avoid the sticky spot, you also take away the pulling force that pulls the magnets together - to do work. The sticky spot must be there until it's not needed, and that's what happening in an electric motor. Except the electric motor change the polarity on one of the magnets so the magnets are repelling eachother when passing the sticky spot. But, I'm sure you already knew that.
How in h... is it possible to change the magnetism at the sticky spot without actually spending energy to remove the magnet from it, or twist the polarity into repulsion? The answer is pretty much given. It's not possible.


Vidar

[citfta]

Floor,

I have been studying your drawings and especially pdf 5.  I really think you have something that will work.  I have one small suggestion to make.  If you offset your inner magnets ( I guess you could call them the neutralizing magnets) so that as one center magnet is forced to rotate the other center magnet on the other end of the shaft could be reset then I think you would have a working device.  All you should need for input power would be a small motor to rotate a disc with the neutralizing magnets on it.  As you have shown in your pdf there should be almost no drag or force against the inner magnets as they go between the outer and center magnets.

You and Luc are doing some great work!  Thanks for sharing your results.

Carroll

[Floor]

@Norman6538

following your suggestions... clarifying and correcting the texts

                        Magnets .......   C  A  E  B  D

When the mid magnets (A, B) have been removed from between the outer magnets (C, D)
             (this can be done, with out doing work against magnetic forces from magnets A,B
               and / or magnets C,D)

the inner magnet (E) is compelled by magnetic forces to rotate
                  (both the attracting and the repelling forces between magnets (C, D) and magnet (E)
                     are combined to do work (output) as rotation of magnet (E) by 180 degrees).

After this 180 degree rotation, the mid magnets (A, B) can be returned to their first position of,
in between the inner (E) and outer magnets (C, D).
        (as before, this can be done, with out doing work against magnetic forces from magnets A,B
         and / or magnets C,D ).

With the mid magnets (A, B) returned to their position of between the outer magnets (C,D)and the inner magnet (E), the inner magnet (E) is free from  ALL magnetic forces which would compel it to      rotate.
       (the inner magnet (E) can now be manually rotated 180 degrees with out doing work against
             magnetic forces from magnets A,B  and / or magnets C,D ).

                           C  A  E  B  D

             Thanks Norman your observations are appreciated.
                              floor

[Floor]

@citfta

       Thanks for the suggestion.
           GotoLuc is really doing a good job I think.
                           regards
                            floor

[Floor]

@LowQ

  Glad to see you back.

In general, generalizations about what "is or is not possible" with magnets
are off topic here.

Please be specific as to how your ideas apply precisely to the devices described in this topic.
                                                   or       
Pleaae post any more general discussion ideas, in the "magnets motion and measurements"
topic. 

                               regards
                                      floor