1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%

[qiman]

Hi noonespecial,
Yeah, thought the same thing, right from the beginning I read it. I also have a little doubt and I was trying to calculate the electric power supply to a number of people in the ward, as the article refers to is not possible!!!  But my personal thought, there is a misunderstanding in the statement of the inventor, or the error due to who wrote the article, this causes an exaggerated too high for real power of this machine?. .   But if everyone thoroughly review the video, then this machine can be OU.

I pretty much agree with this that there is something being erroneously stated here.

However, 1/8 of a HP is 93.25 watts at 100% efficiency (being that 746 watts is 1 hp ideally).

93.25 x 12 times = 1119 watts output from the machine at 1200% if we're starting with 1/8 hp so with real losses, let's say that is 1000 watts worth of power he is producing, which is about 1.34 HP. Can he do all that work with the lathe, back and forth saw, etc... all for 1.34 hp of mechanical work or 1000 watts continuous?

That lathe is a lot beefier than my 9x19 lathe from Grizzly.  At fully loaded, it draws 1276 watts and I can't cut 1/4" ribbons of steel with that much power.

Because of the real work demonstration Skinner is showing, he may be grossly understating what his machine is really producing. It may be 5000% of COP 50.0 for example. By observing what he is doing with the output of the machine, it certainly would require much much more than 1200% of 1/8 HP input.

If his 1/8 hp input with losses gives him 1000 watts of work at 1200% but it is really 4.2 times that, that would be 4200 watts continuous and if we multiple that by 8 times, that is 33.33 hp worth of work, which is about 23k watts.

At 23k watts / 3500 people = 6.5 watts continuous for each person. Obviously not everyone will be using it at the same time but it still doesn't seem enough. What electrical loads would they have? A radio and some lights? Hot water would be steam plant heated for many places at that time, etc... it's a good question what someone in 1939 in America would be drawing on average.

In any case, I think he is actually producing much more than 1200% of 1/8 hp to do the work he is demonstrating.

[turbogt16v]

I really don't know why you people argue how much amount of power does it bring,
it is overunity and that is it.
It will always give more power ,
If you want a few wats more yous wait a few sec more.

Its is not good to argue about meanles facts

[gotoluc]

Thanks havuhung, I drew the 1st version so Luc could see why he had used many pulleys. I do have a lot of material on old motors, the one I found is approximate in design, and was very popular in the 30's. My working sizes are now much closer to the original Skinner machine. Regards Arto.

Great research work Arto!

Thank you for taking the time to work this out and share

Luc

[noonespecial]

I pretty much agree with this that there is something being erroneously stated here.

However, 1/8 of a HP is 93.25 watts at 100% efficiency (being that 746 watts is 1 hp ideally).

93.25 x 12 times = 1119 watts output from the machine at 1200% if we're starting with 1/8 hp so with real losses, let's say that is 1000 watts worth of power he is producing, which is about 1.34 HP. Can he do all that work with the lathe, back and forth saw, etc... all for 1.34 hp of mechanical work or 1000 watts continuous?

That lathe is a lot beefier than my 9x19 lathe from Grizzly.  At fully loaded, it draws 1276 watts and I can't cut 1/4" ribbons of steel with that much power.

Because of the real work demonstration Skinner is showing, he may be grossly understating what his machine is really producing. It may be 5000% of COP 50.0 for example. By observing what he is doing with the output of the machine, it certainly would require much much more than 1200% of 1/8 HP input.

If his 1/8 hp input with losses gives him 1000 watts of work at 1200% but it is really 4.2 times that, that would be 4200 watts continuous and if we multiple that by 8 times, that is 33.33 hp worth of work, which is about 23k watts.

At 23k watts / 3500 people = 6.5 watts continuous for each person. Obviously not everyone will be using it at the same time but it still doesn't seem enough. What electrical loads would they have? A radio and some lights? Hot water would be steam plant heated for many places at that time, etc... it's a good question what someone in 1939 in America would be drawing on average.

In any case, I think he is actually producing much more than 1200% of 1/8 hp to do the work he is demonstrating.

There is a possible alternate explanation I think.


If we take the initial 1/8 HP motor and drop the motor speed (and consequently increase the applied torque) through the gearing of the pulleys down to the assumed 60 RPM being applied to the upper section with the long lever arms, then, multiply this by the leverage of the long arms through the pivot to the 'translation plate', the force being applied to each of the 4 rotating assemblies could be the equivalent of 1200% or 1.5 HP to each (not including transmission losses). Hmm sorry for the run-on sentence. 


If this were true, and we then had approximately 6 HP (before losses) that would seem to square with the power being demonstrated to run the lathe, drill press and industrial sized hack saw.


Just a thought.

[havuhung]

Hi All,
Received from snapshot screen, there is an arc, can be as a steel cable that runs continuously reversal, synchronization with the top of the lever bar. I do not understand, they have contributed to the need for activities this place? . .