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Gyroscopic Inertia Generator

Started by Scorch, October 18, 2014, 04:23:56 PM

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MileHigh

Scorch:

Okay, this may be my last comment and you will build your motor and do your testing on your own terms.

You know how I feel about the esoteric stuff and I don't want to repeat myself, but I will just address this new concept that you mentioned:

Quotelocation of device in relation to the junctions and lines of the icosahedron shaped core of this planet and its effects on the source field

There is no icosahedron shaped core of the planet and there are no line junctions to worry about.  That is just a technique to map out the surface area of the globe or any other area (like a petri dish with bacteria growing on it) in order to analyze something.  You have one hexagon surrounded by six equal hexagons.  You can therefore create some kind of mathematical model for how the six boundaries of the center hexagon will interact with the six neighbouring hexagons.  You could use that to create a mathematical model for how a forest fire will progress with a certain wind velocity and direction, as an example.  You crunch data in time steps where every hexagon interacts with every bordering hexagon.  It's used for numerical analysis and mathematical modeling and has nothing to do with a pulse motor.

Okay moving on, my last major point about your pulse motor and the issue of firing one set of coils vs. firing both sets of coils.  Also, I understand how you can determine the number of firings per rotation, it all depends on how many little button magnets you put into their respective slots in the timing disk.

I am advising you to take the output from the solid state relay and split it into two so that you feed separate power to the left and right sets of coils.  Put an in-line switch in series with each power feed so that you have the option to fire the left coils only, the right coils only, or "normal operation" where you fire both sets of coils.

Here is the reason: For starters, we are not going to discuss the outer rotors that couple to the "outside sides" of the two sets of coils.  I am only going to discuss the center rotor below, there is no issue with the two outer rotors.

Mr. Quanta Magnetics probably said to himself, "I will make an improved design where I put drive coils on both sides of the main center rotor.  With two drive coils on opposite sides of the rotor magnets I should get double the torque to make the rotor spin faster and more efficiently."

The fact is that he is wrong.  And I told you already many times that he has no true understanding of what he is doing.  I don't like repeating this all the time but in this case it merits repeating.  He is supposedly charging for his "intellectual property."

Let's just use abstract units to illustrate the problem.  Let's say that a single coil gives you 100 units of "torque energy" when you pulse the coil.  So, Mike Kantz probably said to himself, "I will put a coil on each side and get an even stronger field to push on the rotor magnet.  I will take advantage of both sides of the rotor magnet instead of only using one side of the rotor magnet.  With one coil I will get 100 units of torque energy per pulse, so with two coils I should get 200 units of torque energy per pulse."

Note the coils are fairly wide and narrow, and note that the coils are in fairly close proximity to each other since the rotor disk is relatively thin.  When those two coils on opposite sides of the magnet are energized, their magnetic fields will "fight" with each other.  In more simple technical terms the magnetic fields generated by the two coils on either side of the rotor magnet will mostly cancel each other out.  There will not be a stronger field between the two coils, there will be a weaker field between the two coils.

So here is what you get for each coil:  100 units of torque energy minus 70 units of torque energy due to magnetic field self-cancellation for a net 30 units of torque energy.

Single coil pulsing:  100 units of torque energy
Both coils pulsing:  60 units of torque energy.

Mike Kantz probably thought that he would be getting about 200 units of torque energy per pulse, but in fact he is only getting about 60 units of torque energy per pulse.  Therefore, it's highly likely that the pulse motor will perform better if you only pulse with one set of coils and not both sets.  You pay a price for all of that magnetic field self-cancellation also.  You have battery energy expended that goes "nowhere" due to the self-cancellation of the magnetic field.  It just becomes waste heat resistive losses in the coils, i.e.; battery energy poured down the drain.

Please see the attached graphic.  The orange area represents where there will be lots of self-cancellation of the magnetic field.

MileHigh

Scorch

Hey MileHigh.  :)

No problem.
I accept your position and personal belief system (within your own reality and sphere of influence) that such things as the specific geometric shape of a planet's core, or its related energy fields, do not exist, or are merely "esoteric", despite the growing scientific evidence of such things and their practical applications.  Such as the construction of the pyramids or coral castle, alternative energy systems, interstellar travel, genetic engineering and etcetera.

And, no, I do not know what another man feels, knows, or believes. ::)
This is because, even though we all appear to be connected on this particular plain of existence, we are all still individuals each walking our own path of learning and experience.
Such as a decision to NOT study such things as the scientific source field investigations or the synchronicity key and its 680+ verifiable scientific references.  8)

And, please forgive me, but I will not be making any such major modifications (per your advisory) at this time of an honest attempt to merely replicate the original experiment on those terms.
Although it is an interesting idea and I may consider such things sometime in the distant future, if conditions warrant it, AFTER replication of the device, tuning, experiments and measurements have been completed per the stated purpose of this topic and endeavor.

Although such modifications may also involve other experiments as well.

Such as the reintroduction of a toroidal generator which does appear to have some very unique benefits such as operating in direct violation of Lenz's Law (no back torque) and no apparent motor effect.
Motor effect: A conventional generator can usually be used as a motor simply by sending power back into it.
But if one attempts to send power to the coils of a toroidal generator; there is no applied force back to the rotor!  :o
This because the magnetic flux currents remain within the closed loop of the toroid which is easily demonstrated with a simple experiment.
Such as this experiment with a closed loop that has a removable 'gate' which allows the flux currents to remain in place when gate is closed or released when gate is opened resulting in a collapse of the field and subsequent surge of potential from the coil at a much later time-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwUYgabGw9g
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wASgrVr2eg
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mBnw0hg8ME

Kindest regards;

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Quote from: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 03:37:23 PM
Scorch:

Okay, this may be my last comment and you will build your motor and do your testing on your own terms.

You know how I feel about the esoteric stuff and I don't want to repeat myself, but I will just address this new concept that you mentioned:

There is no icosahedron shaped core of the planet ...

...I am advising you to take the output from the solid state relay and split it into two so that you feed separate power to the left and right sets of coils....

MileHigh

MileHigh

Scorch:

Adding the switches, or even a single switch to disable one side only, does not change the pulse motor at all.  If I were you I would be very curious to investigate this issue at an appropriate time.

I watched all three of your Leedskalnin clips.  There is nothing there and physics can explain it all.  You can research it if you want and find the truth.  You know how there was a time before Louis Pasteur when people did not know about bacteria and how disease was transmitted and they were not aware of the need for living in sanitary conditions?  That's what the clips feel like from an electronics perspective.  If it's any consolation you have a lot of company with respect to the "perpetual motion holder."

QuoteSuch as the reintroduction of a toroidal generator which does appear to have some very unique benefits such as operating in direct violation of Lenz's Law (no back torque) and no apparent motor effect.
Motor effect: A conventional generator can usually be used as a motor simply by sending power back into it.
But if one attempts to send power to the coils of a toroidal generator; there is no applied force back to the rotor!  :o
This because the magnetic flux currents remain within the closed loop of the toroid which is easily demonstrated with a simple experiment.

Nope, some of the flux leaks out of the toroid.  Also, you are hedging your bets and expressing wishful thinking about the lack of Lenz drag with out any true evidence of that.  There is an easy experiment you can do to prove that I am right.  All that you have to do is spin the magnet inside the toroid in a separate small setup.  Measure the spin-down time with no load resistors on the two coils and with load resistors on the two coils.  You may have to experiment a bit to find a good value for the load resistors.  Then you will see that the spin-down is always shorter when the load resistors are across the two coils.  That will prove the existence of the Lenz drag.

MileHigh

Scorch

Hey MileHigh.  :)

Please forgive me as I do agree this modification is relatively simple to implement especially since I did provide for separate stator leads and would not even require a switch since I can merely disconnect one side or the or the other.  But until such time the replication of the original experiment is completed; I will not be performing any modifications or extra experiments such as disabling half the stator in what is intended to be a well balanced circuit and system operating in a resonate condition.

I am of the firm belief that resonance, in harmony with the source field, is the key to OU.
Please forgive my beliefs in such things as source fields often represented as "sacred geometry".  ;)

www.coralcastlecode.com

And please forgive my confusion with regards to your statements regarding the benefits of a toroidal generator which has its roots in the "Gamme Machine"-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramme_machine

Are we to understand you are of the position that Stefan's (administrator of this forum) verification of these benefits (of a modern version of the Gramme Machine) is false?!?
(see attached images of quote from the June 1994 issue of "new energy news magazine" page 9.)

And, if so, may we (including Stefan) please see the proof of your alleged claim?

Kindest regards;

}:>



Quote from: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 09:51:15 PM
Scorch:

Adding the switches, or even a single switch to disable one side only, does not change the pulse motor at all.  If I were you I would be very curious to investigate this issue at an appropriate time.

I watched all three of your Leedskalnin clips.  There is nothing there and physics can explain it all.  You can research it if you want and find the truth.  You know how there was a time before Louis Pasteur when people did not know about bacteria and how disease was transmitted and they were not aware of the need for living in sanitary conditions?  That's what the clips feel like from an electronics perspective.  If it's any consolation you have a lot of company with respect to the "perpetual motion holder."

Nope, some of the flux leaks out of the toroid.  Also, you are hedging your bets and expressing wishful thinking about the lack of Lenz drag with out any true evidence of that.  There is an easy experiment you can do to prove that I am right.  All that you have to do is spin the magnet inside the toroid in a separate small setup.  Measure the spin-down time with no load resistors on the two coils and with load resistors on the two coils.  You may have to experiment a bit to find a good value for the load resistors.  Then you will see that the spin-down is always shorter when the load resistors are across the two coils.  That will prove the existence of the Lenz drag.

MileHigh

Scorch

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