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[MileHigh]

In my opinion this is an example where it may make sense for government to step in.  Not for the price issue, but to stop false claims being promoted and advertised.

I have never heard of "dielectric bias" and suspect that it is a junk term.

Another term that may be physically true, "long-grain copper" but it still does not mean anything in the scheme of things.

Claims for superior audio and video will of course be false.

So a government consumer watchdog would make sense here.  Unfortunately the resources available dictate that you can't test everything and hold everybody accountable.  Suffice to say that there is a lot of junk out there.

It kind of reminds me of the bad old days of tube TVs and how unscrupulous TV repair shops would rip off people.  People with no shame stealing from widows on fixed pensions, etc.

Bedini is in the same boat as the $600 HDMI cable makers with the "CD 'clarifier.'"

[jonfrommanahawkin1]

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What? It doesn't apply? ! I thought we were posting products that cost more then a normal person would spend. 

But I do think they use gold lmao

#morons

Jon

[TinselKoala]

In my opinion this is an example where it may make sense for government to step in.  Not for the price issue, but to stop false claims being promoted and advertised.

I have never heard of "dielectric bias" and suspect that it is a junk term.

Another term that may be physically true, "long-grain copper" but it still does not mean anything in the scheme of things.

Claims for superior audio and video will of course be false.

So a government consumer watchdog would make sense here.  Unfortunately the resources available dictate that you can't test everything and hold everybody accountable.  Suffice to say that there is a lot of junk out there.

It kind of reminds me of the bad old days of tube TVs and how unscrupulous TV repair shops would rip off people.  People with no shame stealing from widows on fixed pensions, etc.

Bedini is in the same boat as the $600 HDMI cable makers with the "CD 'clarifier.'"

As long as the customers _believe_ that they are hearing improvements, there is no reason for any government regulators to step in. After all, according to those customers, the products work as advertised! And if someone doesn't hear the improvement, then there are always the "moneyback guarantees" offered by the manufacturers and vendors, who can afford to take back a few "defective" items because they make such high profits from the "satisfied" customers. In the audiophile industry, it's almost a "perfect crime" because the people who are being ripped off don't even realize it and aren't likely to complain about being suckered even when they do finally do a real, blinded "A-B" test as it's called. Who is going to admit that their three thousand dollar speaker wires don't actually make a perceptible difference in an objective test? Or that a 300 dollar wooden volume control knob doesn't really affect anything?

It's a well known effect in the field of Social Psychology that the more you pay for something, the more you value it. You can even manipulate how people value things or attitudes or opinions by getting them to write positive or negative reviews. No matter how they feel initially, even if they have absolutely no experience with the product at all,  if you pay someone a few dollars to write a positive review of something, and then later ask them honestly to evaluate it, they will give it a higher rating, and the reverse happens if you pay them to write a negative review. Charging someone a high price for a product has the same effect.

[MarkE]

Correction: you can spend much more:
AudioQuest - Coffee 39.4' HDMI Cable - White
Model: 65-082-09 SKU: 1267764
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$2,200.99

Go to Amazon and you'll find:

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you do get free shipping to reduce the pain...

I intentionally did not go into the long cables because the extended length offers some value proposition to someone who needs it.  6' to 10' HDMI cables are commonplace, so that is why I listed the 6.6' cable.  A friend of mine told me about some speaker cables that were something like $45,000. each.  One can buy a pretty nice car complete with a pretty nice sound system in it for that kind of money.  I don't remember off hand whether the $45,000. was wire for just one speaker, or two.

[Pirate88179]

As long as the customers _believe_ that they are hearing improvements, there is no reason for any government regulators to step in. After all, according to those customers, the products work as advertised! And if someone doesn't hear the improvement, then there are always the "moneyback guarantees" offered by the manufacturers and vendors, who can afford to take back a few "defective" items because they make such high profits from the "satisfied" customers. In the audiophile industry, it's almost a "perfect crime" because the people who are being ripped off don't even realize it and aren't likely to complain about being suckered even when they do finally do a real, blinded "A-B" test as it's called. Who is going to admit that their three thousand dollar speaker wires don't actually make a perceptible difference in an objective test? Or that a 300 dollar wooden volume control knob doesn't really affect anything?

It's a well known effect in the field of Social Psychology that the more you pay for something, the more you value it. You can even manipulate how people value things or attitudes or opinions by getting them to write positive or negative reviews. No matter how they feel initially, even if they have absolutely no experience with the product at all,  if you pay someone a few dollars to write a positive review of something, and then later ask them honestly to evaluate it, they will give it a higher rating, and the reverse happens if you pay them to write a negative review. Charging someone a high price for a product has the same effect.

This agrees totally with what I posted earlier in this topic.  If you get ripped off...it is much easier to not admit that to yourself and...yes...you can actually hear the "difference."  These con artists rely on this human condition.  I would be embarrassed to admit to anyone if I paid $600 (much less $30,000) and could not tell the difference.  Subconsciously, I would indeed hear an "improvement'.  Even if I didn't, how could I ever ask for my money back?

I disagree that the government should get involved, they are already way too involved in our daily lives.  Buyer beware.  There is always the option of taking them to civil court but...that could be sticky if they provided acoustic "experts" that can "hear" the difference.

Wooden knobs?  Really?  I had not heard of that one.  What's next?  Cans of nitrogen that you spray into the room around your stereo to "purify" the air around the components to get better sound?

Bill