New Free Energy Conferences in Hamburg and Chicago

[MarkE]

You see the problem is the disc treatment is only a temporary, it lasts only for a finite period of time, perhaps a few hours or more until the disc is back to the way it originally was.

-Dave Wing

Or the marijuana high wears off.  The claims you make for the device have no basis in objective fact.

[Dave Wing]

Well why don't you disbelievers buy one from my store in eBay and do your hands on testing. But make sure to actually listen a few discs. Listen to a particular song on the disc then treat the disc and listen to the same song and see if the claims are true. Repeat this process for your 20 discs and tell me what you find. I am also curious to see your results with both scientific and actual hearing tests.

-Dave Wng

[MarkE]

Well why don't you disbelievers buy one from my store in eBay and do your hands on testing. But make sure to actually listen a few discs. Listen a particular song on the disc then treat the disc and listen to the same song and see if the claims are true. Repeat this process for your 20 discs and tell me what you find.

-Dave Wng

Dave are you familiar with the mail fraud statutes?

[TinselKoala]

You see the problem is the disc treatment is only a temporary, it lasts only for a finite period of time, perhaps a few hours or more until the disc reverts back to the way it originally was.

-Dave Wing

Do you or Bedini tell your customers that up front? It's the first I've heard that the treatment is only temporary and fades quickly.
But how convenient for you! I expected you to say that shipping via airplanes cancelled the effect, or some other such cop-out!

OK, since you have a lot of irons in this fire, let's meet somewhere. You, as a seller and promoter of these items, have the responsibility to assure your customers that your claims are true. So you can afford to pay my transportation to your "listening room" and I'll take 20 discs of your choice and your clarifier to another room and do the treatments. Then there will be only a few minutes of time between my treatment of some of them and your evaluation. I can even do them one at a time: treat, or not treat, a single disc, immediately after you have listened to it on your equipment, then you can listen to it again immediately after I have treated, or not treated it. I'll treat them in a closed room, and slip them under the door back to you after doing it, so you can't see any "tells" from my posture or attitude.

If you "win" with the required score, I'll reimburse you for my transportation expenses so you are "out" nothing and you gain a positive scientific report for free. If you "lose", that is if you cannot really discriminate between treated and untreated discs with this small time delay of only minutes, you pay for my transportation expenses and my daily consultant fee.  In either case you get the full writeup and can publish it in a magazine. Or I will, since you are not likely to want to publish a negative result!

OK, now let's hear your objection to this proposal. Not willing to spend the money to get me there or risk having to pay my fee... that's fine, perfectly legitimate. It still makes you look like a false claimant, though, who has no confidence in his own claims.

[TinselKoala]

Well why don't you disbelievers buy one from my store in eBay and do your hands on testing. But make sure to actually listen a few discs. Listen to a particular song on the disc then treat the disc and listen to the same song and see if the claims are true. Repeat this process for your 20 discs and tell me what you find. I am also curious to see your results with both scientific and actual hearing tests.

-Dave Wng

That is not a scientific test.

If you don't want to do the SDT test that I suggested, then send me two identical untreated off the shelf discs and a Clarifier, and I'll treat one and then compare the PCM data between the two with minimal delay time so the treatment doesn't fade, then I'll send the bundle back to you.

Of course if I find no difference in the objective data, you will tell me I'm not holding my mouth right, or the effect doesn't work below the 30th parallel of latitude, or some other cop-out excuse.